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[edit] Number of episodes in Season 4

It's been confirmed that a minimum of 3 episodes will be made and a maximum of 6. So the number of episodes will range from 11-16. Just wanted to let others know that I've made the change on the article. zeldanum1 February 10, 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.84.35.64 (talk) 01:28, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Are "spoilers" acceptable?

I have only just begun watching the show on NetFlix, and I am only reading the summaries of the episodes that I have already watched, but I can see that the summaries, as written, will not help me remember key points or tie the plotlines together.

How detailed should these descriptions be? Are the summaries here meant to include the surprise information revealed by watching the episodes? As they are written, not much is included. What is the purpose of the summaries?

-Alex.rosenheim 19:27, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

They should be succinct overviews of an episode. Don't worry about spoilers as we don't censor for spoilers, it's the fault of the reader if they read what they don't want to see. Matthew 19:52, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
Well, as I am only half-way through the first season...I think I might re-visit this issue once I am up-to-date. Based on what I've seen so far, I am sure that there are things that I have seen that I didn't even realize were a major part of the plot. I hope that a more current viewer would take on the task in the meantime. -Alex.rosenheim 13:38, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
I realize that everyone loves to fall over themselves in the rush to link to the "wikipedia is not censored" page every time this comes up on every list of [show] episodes page, but instead of being smug and waving a rule in everyone's face, you could actually come up with a solution. What's already been done on other pages works great: limit the descriptions on the list page itself to non-spoiling summaries, and have the linked pages on the individual episodes be unlimited. Put simple warning at the top of the main list that says individual episode pages contain spoilers, and everyone is accommodated. People currently in progress can check the list without having the mystery ruined, and people who are up to date don't have to have anything left out.Jorkusmalorkus (talk) 22:47, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Season 4

I reverted the list of Season 4 episodes because it looked like it was cut from some other site and pasted here. It was not formatted like the other episode lists and I am not sure were one would get a complete list of episodes for the next season. Before it is replaced, please talk about the source of this information, on this page. Ursasapien (talk) 08:47, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Regarding season 4 episodes, there are titles and which character(s) are centric on sites such as Lost Spoilers and Spoilerfix. Do others think it is better to put that information on here and then change it if it turns out to be false, or should we wait until it is confirmed by ABC? (I did read that the second episode title being "Confirmed Dead" has been confirmed) Lennoncorleone (talk) 02:35, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for asking. It has been decided that we wait for confirmation from ABC, cast or crew. –thedemonhog talk • edits 02:45, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lost Revealed

This article should list recaps and specials exclusively made by the Lost team. I removed a UK special that was made by the UK channel. I do not support adding Italian or every other international channel's recap episodes. -- Wikipedical 20:57, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Makes sense. That section would get quite long. I removed Entertainment Weekly's "The Lost Survival Guide" as well. --thedemonhog talk • edits 03:40, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Lost episodes

Please support or comment on the nomination of this list for Featured status at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Lost episodes. Thanks. -- Wikipedical 07:23, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Colours

I'm not sure I like these new colours that have been inserted. I don't believe they blend well (remember that Wikipedia's design errs on the side of brightness). I'm unsure of this "desire" people are having recently to "replicate" a colour used on the DVD (I'm expecting a reply of "people will immediately think of season x", I don't believe they will, as it's just an assumption from the editor that the reader will think about it).

To be honest I think the previous colours worked quite well, also they have been stable for quite a long time. My personal opinion on these news colours is that they're dark and bland. Matthew 19:47, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

  • The last time we had this discussion (see Talk:List of Lost episodes/Archive 3#Season colors), really really bright colors were inserted by one editor, and other editors complained that they were not keeping with Wikipedia's colors. I used the link of optimal colors that was suggested in order to find brighter colors that weren't too obnoxious because it was recently suggested in the FL candidacy that they should be modified. It is true that many colors of list of episodes tend to reflect the DVD and I don't think it really hurts (featured list List of The Sopranos episodes is a good example of where I believe it works well). I changed the colors because many editors prefer DVD colors and since, as I said, it was suggested in the FL nomination. I'm completely willing to hear the views of other editors. -- Wikipedical 19:57, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
It is nice to see some vibrant colours, although even if we had no colours, the page would be fine.--thedemonhog talk • edits 23:02, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Season 4 - Dominic Monaghan

Who keeps on adding: "Dominic Monaghan will not return to the main cast as his character died in the third season finale." ???

This is an unnecessary spoiler which no one really needs to know. Please remove it (Wikirocks2 04:46, 1 September 2007 (UTC))

You can tell who added it by accessing the page's history. I changed it so that the fourth season spoiler does not give as much away ("Dominic Monaghan will not return to the main cast as his character died in the third season finale." → "Dominic Monaghan will not return to the main cast.") Spoilers are permitted on the page though. It even mentions that Charlie drowns a few sentences higher in the description of the third season finale. And you do not have to ask for someone else to edit the page. Anyone can make changes. --thedemonhog talk • edits 05:29, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Season 2 Episodes # 223 and 224

It seems that the last episode "Live Together, Die Alone" of Season 2 is actually a 2 hour episode (playtime: around 85 minutes). I had 24 episodes of Lost, and after some research, I found that the last two were actually two parts of the same episode. Though they look like one long episode just chopped into two (unlike a long episode edited into two parts with the usual beginning and ending clips), this particular page lists the episode to officially be of two parts (223 and 224). I'm not so sure about this, so please investigate:

Link: Lost Episode Guide - Lost Season 2 Episodes - TV.com

EDIT: It looks like the last episode of season 3, "Through the Looking Glass", also has this problem of being two episodes, each an hour (or strictly, 42 minutes).

--ADTC 05:16, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Page transclusion

Since we have the main list of episodes, then the list of episodes broken down per season (such as Lost (season 1)), I thought it would be interesting to try some cross-article transclusion (much like how templates work). Basically, when someone goes to edit the summaries of season 1, they are changing both articles, and the actual data lives on the season article. This does introduce some new columns, but I don't think there would be any major objection to them. I'll have to play with the transclusion a bit so that "[edit]" will take them directly to editing on the season page, but it should work pretty flawlessly. Thoughts? -- Ned Scott 07:04, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Fixed widths will have to be added to individual season pages to get a consistent look on the main page here. Also, the Production code column seems to have varied on all three seasons, as well as the third season having a "days" column. Any thoughts on what should be adopted for the consistent format? -- Ned Scott 07:11, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Ned, you and I may have had our conflicts in the past, but I simply love this idea. It produces consistency and allows editors to correct errors on both pages more quickly. My preference would be to have the "production code" column follow the episode number column in each list. As far as the "days" column, I am not sure we shouldn't strike it. How much of it is original research as opposed to something that is documented by reliable secondary sources. Ursasapien (talk) 07:20, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
I think we should model it after List of Smallville episodes instead. –thedemonhog talk • edits • box 07:32, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
How so? Do you mean this column?
Ep #
22(1)
I think this set up would be infinitely better:
Ep #
22 (2.01)
Of course, with a fixed column width. Ursasapien (talk) 07:41, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
He might mean trimming summaries out of the main list all together? -- Ned Scott 07:43, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Ah, I see. That does work much better, particularly when we have individual season episode list articles. Ursasapien (talk) 08:10, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
That is what I mean. I'm working toward making the lists consistent. –thedemonhog talk • edits • box 14:53, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm liking this page transclusion idea. -- Wikipedical 23:09, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
While there is nothing wrong with having the summaries on this page, isn't this kind of not the point of what was originally announced/proposed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Lost#Lost (season 1)? Scorpion0422 and I have been rewriting the season pages to featured list status by moving the episode lists there and it seems somewhat redundant to have the information twice. We could change the season pages back into articles instead of lists with the plot summary that used to be there. Many other television WikiProjects have the lists with summaries on the season pages with the main list pages without the summaries, like what I am working toward. –thedemonhog talk • edits • box 05:07, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Transcluding other articles hasn't always been an option in the past, and most people don't know if it or don't have a situation where it would be useful without causing problems. Generally, it's an option not considered. In my mind this isn't really an "article" anymore as much as it is simply a view type, a technical page created to simply display everything at once. However, it might keep people from dealing with/ going to the season pages, causing the other sections on them to be neglected.
But then that lead me to another idea. Lets say we decide to hide summaries on the main list; transclusion could still play a part. In other words, it would still transclude, but hide the summary, which is easy to do since each episode is in a template, tagging each field. When someone updates a title or a director on the season page, it would still show up here. So whichever direction you guys decide to go, this nifty little trick should come in handy. -- Ned Scott 05:28, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
I like this suggestion. Following our idea at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Lost#Lost (season 1), we can transclude the season pages' episode lists and shrink the summaries as Ned proposed. It would look the same as our original desired outcome and also allow editors to update multiple pages at a time with new information (entering new episode info into either List of Lost episodes or Lost (season 4) would affect both pages). Without stating definite support for it, I would merely say it's a new idea that we should consider. -- Wikipedical 04:13, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
So what's the plan for this wiki page? Is it being edited after that of the Smallville episode list, or is it being left as it is for the moment?--Animé Dan 18:10, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
I've been playing around with the template code a little bit, but won't be able to really dive into it until later tonight (I'm on my lunch break right now). As for the format choice, I have no preference. -- Ned Scott 20:49, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Based on Ned's reasoning above, I would say leave it as is for now transcluded. If he can find a way to hide the summaries, we have no need to change anything. -- Wikipedical 23:37, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

I was trying to do this in a way that would be easy and hopefully wouldn't require a second template, but I eventually broke down and made Template:Episode list/Lost. This template is pretty much is transparent and passes each parameter off to it Episode list, but also checks the article title. If the article title is List of Lost episodes, the template does not pass ShortSummary and LineColor, but for all other pages, the process is transparent to using the normal episode list template. Throw in a few fixed widths (which I might do right now) and it will look pretty good. -- Ned Scott 02:24, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Excellent work. I am very impressed. I added the production codes and days to places where they were needed. –thedemonhog talk • edits • box 02:35, 10 October 2007 (UTC)


Template:Episode list/Lost now will make alternating color lines, like what is seen on List of The Simpsons episodes. It does this by using one color if EpisodeNumber is even, and one if it is odd. -- Ned Scott 08:33, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] PC

I believe I've brought this up before, anyway I'll be removing the "Production Code" cells soon as they're unsourced (leading me to believe they are just made up (which seems to be the norm with these types of numbers)). Rather than simply removing them I'm leaving this message to give anyone interested some time to provide a reliable source.

I'm also considering nominating the list for evaluation of its featured status, as it's changed considerably since the time it was starred. Not for the best in my opinion (for example the synopses have disappeared, meaning I would have to visit a different page to get a brief overview). Matthew 08:41, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

I think that I will be able to get a source later. If not, then we can just change that column to "season #." –thedemonhog talk • edits • box 18:06, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
"Season #"? What would the column's purpose be? If it's intended to be some sort of <season><ep#>, then I see no useful purpose as it's: a) Redundant to the header for season, and b) Redundant to "#" column for episode number. Matthew 18:39, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
The column's purpose would be so that you could quickly see that The Man From Tallahassee is the 13th episode of the 3rd season, instead of having to subtract 47 from 60 episodes. –thedemonhog talk • edits • box 03:53, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
From what I've seen the standard among LOEs is that generally the season number should be used, rather than the overall number. I honestly don't think another column is needed to accomplish the task, could it not be easily done like: <epseasonnumber> (<epoverallnumber>). For example "Adrift" would be: 2 (26).
I'm going to remove the column tonight (I hope) as it's clear to me they are simply made up. Matthew 13:23, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Please hold-off on that. The purpose of numbering by-episode-of-show, not episode-of-season, is to allow the automatic generation of unique anchors that can be linked to. i.e. List of Lost episodes#ep51. Also, the production codes should be in the ProdCode field and the EpisodeNumber2 field can/should be used for the episode-of-season number. If this is done, you can also link by production code. See {{Episode list/doc}}. --Jack Merridew 13:54, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Then use List of Lost episodes#ep2 (26). Or you can add a source for the production codes if you want to save them… simple as. Matthew 14:19, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
I don't see any real usefulness for production codes. But be sure and follow the documentation for the episode numbers. I'd suggest waiting until thedemonhog gets back to you. --Jack Merridew 14:38, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Somebody added a source... unfortunately it says nothing about production codes. Matthew 17:41, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I was typing a response here when you reverted. I cited the official Lost website. While it says "Episode 101" instead of Production Codes, they clearly match the Prod. codes on the press releases. For example, look at Season 3: Further Instructions and The Glass Ballerina. The website accurately has the right production codes with out of order original airdates. It's a verifiable source. -- Wikipedical 17:46, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
It says nothing of production code, ergo for all you know they mean: <season><epnum>. You need to cite a source that corroborates your claim that these are production codes ("Facts must be backed by citations to reliable sources that contain these facts."—WP:NOR).
If the press releases can backup the claim these are production codes then cite them (I'm guessing you're lying as I don't believe I've seen production codes mentioned in them before.) If you don't cite a source promptly you are going to be aggressively reverted. Matthew 17:59, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Thefutoncritic includes the production codes as well in their press releases, so this can help further verify the production codes. http://www.thefutoncritic.com/showatch.aspx?id=lost_abc&view=listings . Grande13 18:11, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
That also says nothing of production codes… Matthew 18:17, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
As a compromise, would you be willing to have an Episode number column and Season number column? For example, episode "One of Them" would say | 38 | 14 |, without any mention of Production codes. -- Wikipedical 18:15, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
That's fine with me, so yes go ahead. But I still think it could be done better as: <overall number> (<number in season>). Matthew 18:17, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
I think it's fine in two columns, that's what they're for. -- Wikipedical 18:40, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
I am happy with the way this turned out. –thedemonhog talk • edits • box 00:58, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Looks fine to me, too, with both numbers in two columns. Just noticed that the notes on List of Lost episodes#ep49 and List of Lost episodes#ep50 don't work as they do at Lost (season 3)#ep49 and Lost (season 3)#ep50. Interesting the way these templates work. --Jack Merridew 09:54, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Program-specific information

I think that program-specific info—like days on the island, the featured characters—belongs only on the separate season pages and the ep. articles, not the main LOE. Cliff smith 17:05, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree with you. What I do think belongs here are the episode synopses. Matthew 17:12, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
I think it is great the way it is. What would you rather know: who directed an episode or who was the main character? –thedemonhog talk • edits • box 18:05, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
I'd personally rather know who directed the episode… and I'm a fan. The average Joe probably wouldn't find the column useful, that is unless they've actually seen an episode. Matthew 18:42, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
This looks great. In response to Matthew, we moved the summaries to the season-specific pages. As a result, we have the LOE as a featured list and 2/3 season pages as featured lists. However, I'm also not sure that "Days" is appropriate/clear enough yet. -- Wikipedical 22:23, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
A full LOE should serve general purposes, not specific stuff which can be on season pages. I don't know of any other main LOE that has program-specific info on it. Also, why is the {{episode list}} template only used in the section on specials and not the entire page? And I don't think the average Joe will know that the "PC" abbreviation stands for Production Code. Cliff smith 23:56, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
At the beginning of the article, it reads "PC" is short for "production code number," which is used to identify episodes during production. In regards to details, there are several FLs that use episode specific info! See List of The Sopranos episodes, List of Desperate Housewives episodes, List of The Unit episodes, and List of Smallville episodes to name just a few. We've also been experimenting with transcluding the episode data from the season pages. Since we moved the summaries to the main pages, it's redundant to have them twice, and it also takes up less space. -- Wikipedical 00:11, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Oops I don't know how I didn't see that before. My apologies. I agree that it's a good idea to have the summaries at the season pages and it would be redundant to have them here. Also, I said program-specific not episode specific. Days and featured characters for Lost are program-specific. Cliff smith 00:41, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Oh, I see what you're saying. Well, I personally believe that the 'Featured Character' column is justified because it is a major component to a Lost episode. Because Lost episodes are divided into different characters' storylines, I believe it's perfectly encyclopedic to list that an episode is a "Jack" or "Locke" episode. That's a major component to the show. However, any show could list 'days' within the show, so I support that column's removal. -- Wikipedical 00:45, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
I understand. I just think that that stuff belongs on season pages only, not the general LOE. It is encyclopedic, without question. Cliff smith 00:47, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Okay, can we just have the "Day(s)" column in the season pages and not in the main list? –thedemonhog talk • edits • box 03:50, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
I see that they have been removed from the season pages but will still be in the episode pages. That's fine, as long as they do not get removed from there too. –thedemonhog talk • edits • box 03:55, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
The featured characters should go to the season pages too. They wouldn't mean much to those who aren't fans of the show (like you and I). Cliff smith 16:38, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Almost everyone who visits this page is a fan/ wants to know about the show. –thedemonhog talk • edits • box 17:30, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
That may be true. But it's as redundant as the Days column was for one thing, and you don't see program-specific info like this on other main LOEs anyway. I don't think it should be eliminated altogether, I think it should be on the season pages only. Cliff smith 20:49, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

If the Featured Character is almost if not just as significant as the episode title for distinguishing/listing a Lost episode, why remove it? -- Wikipedical 23:04, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Who says it is as significant as episode titles? (Again, I'm saying keep it on season pages only, just to be clear.) Cliff smith 17:10, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
I say it is. –thedemonhog talk • edits • box 17:23, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
I like listing the featured character on the list level as well. -- Ned Scott 18:07, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
When I said who says it is, I wasn't talking about one individual person, but okay. I just don't see any other main LOEs doing this, like I said before. Cliff smith 19:03, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
One good example is List of House episodes. While it's not an FL yet, it does list final diagnoses in the episodes. -- Wikipedical 20:14, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
The layout of many LOEs is just taken from whatever someone else did. Ideas spread fast, and what one does or doesn't do really isn't significant. I've actually seen many lists include extra information like this, which is one of the reasons Template:Episode list has three Aux parameters, two episode number parameters, a prodcode parameter, two title parameters, two date parameters, etc. -- Ned Scott 20:52, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Yeah I'm aware... I suppose it works. Cliff smith 17:44, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lost: Missing Pieces

Can I make the suggestion that one page should be created for the "Lost: Missing Pieces" mobisodes? (NB. One page encompassing all 13 episodes, NOT one per episode) These episodes are extremely canon, the plot lines in future episodes could be crucial (the latest episode Room 23 is starting to show this trend) and do in my opinion deserve their own page as much as the video game does. And redirecting away from the main episode page isn't much good. Any thoughts? User:MellonCollie 15th December 07, 15:35 GMT

I have been considering this because there is enough information out there to provide real-world perspective. There have been are interviews with Lindelof, Cuse, Kitsis, Horowitz and Emerson, and BuddyTV and Zap2it have been reviewing them. So I support this. –thedemonhog talk • contributions 15:44, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
I will write it in the next few days. –thedemonhog talk • edits 22:05, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Work in progress. –thedemonhog talk • edits 05:18, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

The links in webepisodes are extrenal links to a fan-crafter site. Is this ok? -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:13, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Probably not. –thedemonhog talk • edits 15:22, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
All right, Lost: Missing Pieces is up. I have listed it at WP:GAN and will be suggesting it for DYK and listing it for PR shortly. –thedemonhog talk • edits 21:54, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Note 10 leads to a dead link. I think the page is no longer available, or has moved... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.86.193.35 (talk) 01:31, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] DVD Numbers

I'm very sorry if I missed it, but it would be very nice to see which episodes are on which DVD (since the number of episodes per DVD is rarely constant). This could be done here, under DVD releases, or someplace else. When ordering from, for example, Netflix (I've made the suggestion to them, but no luck yet), there's no easy way to be sure to get the DVD that has episode that you want.Originalname37 (talk) 15:53, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Discs 1-5 have four episodes each and the sixth disc has the remaining episodes. –thedemonhog talk • edits 20:39, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Season 4 Table needs a clean up

Notice how the episode The beginning of the End is the perfect size- like all the Season 3 episodes. Now the problem with the rest of them is that they take up double the amount of room than a normal episode. Thats because there is not enough room for: Stephen Williams, Dates with February, The writers in Eggtown, Meet Kevin Johnson and Cabin fever, The featured characters in Confirmed Dead, The title 'There's no place like home Parts 2 and 3'.

Room can be made for theese by: Making the series and episode coloumn's thinner, Changing the Confirmed Dead featured characters [Daniel, Charlotte, Miles, Frank & Naomi] to 'Freighters' and the There's no place like Home featured characters to 'Oceanic 6'.

This should be done because in The Other 48 days instead of having 'Ana Lucia, Mr. Eko, Libby and Bernard' it has 'Tail section survivors'. Also in Exodus part 1 instead of having 'Walt, Jack, Sawyer, Kate, Shannon and Sun' it has 'Various'. I also think 'There's no place like home Parts 2 and 3' should be shortened to 'There's no place like home Part 2' [Just like Exodus Part 2].

Of course after doing all this, room can be given to the written by, directed by and original airdate sections. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.89.66.23 (talk) 23:26, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

It may be the "perfect size" for you, but not everyone. Others have different resolutions, browsers and fonts. The series and episode (I am assuming that you mean the numbers) columns cannot be made thinner because words cannot be broken up. "Exodus: Part 2" and "No Place Like Home: Parts 2 & 3" refers to the names assigned by ABC (yes, they are inconsistent). –thedemonhog talk • edits 07:16, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
I "fixed" it by removing the width in the table on the season 4 page. Jackieboy87 (talk) 17:32, 13 June 2008 (UTC)