Talk:List of Forgotten Realms deities

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Links to Mulhorandi gods incorrect.

The Lady of Pain's status is uncertain (at least for Planescape canon) but she(it?) should not be considered a power (that is, goddess)

Should this page mention that some of the FR gods are pulled from Real World mythology? FrozenPurpleCube 20:53, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

There is also mentioned in the AD&D 2nd edition book On Hallowed Ground(on page 182), another figure like the Lord Ao named Aoskar. He was destoryed by the Lady of Pain, and had dominion over portals.

Also, on page 30 of Faiths & Avatars Ao is listed to have a superior who is A Luminous Being.

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[edit] Lurue

I dont know if i am doing this correct, but this article lists lurue as a demideity, while her own article lists her as lesser OR minor, which is hard to understand... which one is now correct?84.160.74.159 19:10, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Preparation for major revamp

I'm getting ready to take a pause from more serious topics and systematically improve the Forgotten Realms content, most of which is entirely based on 2e material at this time.

Can anyone confirm, in either 2e or 3e content, a source that confirms any of the following as actually being Forgotten Realms deities (rather than Greyhawk or "generic")?

Bargrivyek - Cult of the Singing Skull - Eadro - Gaknulak - Gorellik - Grankhul - Gzemnid - Jazirian - Koriel - Maanzecorian - Meriadar - Nomog-Gaeya - Persana - Psilofyr - Quorlinn - Ramenos - Remnis - Skiggaret - Stalker - Surminare - Syranita - The Bright Sword - The Dark God - The Great Wise Worm

Or any of the deities listed as Faerie deities or "The Dark Deities"? Serpent's Choice 09:14, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Cult of the Singing Skull, The Bright Sword and Elrem the Wise Great Worm are all in the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting for AD&D2ed, under "Beast Cults", page 60. -- Trixt 23:55, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks Trixt! Totally missed those references. The Beast Cults in general will need to be added. In addition to those, there are more from The Horde, and a couple to squeeze in from Malatra. I'm torn about where to present them, however. Technically, a beast cult isn't a deity, nor a totem of a deity (like the Uthgardt totems and the Ulutiu ones that I still can't find a cite for...). I'm leaning towards putting the Beast Cults under nondeity powers. Thoughts? Serpent's Choice 04:39, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
IMHO it is correct put them in a sub-section under Quasi-deities powers, because (from FRCS AD&D2ed): "Also included in the ranks of the quasi-powers are the various powerful creatures, monsters, and godly beings revered by the Beast Cults." -- Trixt 03:04, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kudos to Serpent's Choice

It's awe-inspiring to see a rewrite on this scale, especially since copious references were added to support the whole thing. Ergo, kudos! --Agamemnon2 14:09, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! I'm working to track down documentation of the various things I cut, to make sure they really don't belong in Realmspace. Right now I'm trying to find a copy of Jungles of Chult since the Khurgorbaeyag article seems to imply there is content there that ties that deity to the Realms. If I can cull through all the Realms sources to my satisfaction, I'll be adding in some explanatory text and pushing for FL status. Serpent's Choice 16:06, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lolth back to into the abyss were she belongs!!

I noticed that some fool put Lolth as a greater god. which is completely wrong, she doesnt have nearly as many followers to be greater... According to D&D 3.5 she is an intermediate god and as far as i believe, she's been that from the beginning.

There are though many gods that are still not mentioned that are not FR specific. only D&D in general. But perhaps those are not worth mentioned on this article. I really don't know.

Also, as for the Dead Unther gods. as i wrote Inanna is the original name of the Babylonian Goddess Ishtar, that often is associated with the egyptian goddess Isis, although they are two completetely different gods from two completely different cultures. We Northern barbarians really mix things up once in a while ;P

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.67.194.29 (talk) 18:17, 25 April 2007 (UTC).
  • Actually, the "some fool" was right, you're behind the times in Realms lore. Lolth raised herself up to Greater divinity as a result of the War of the Spider Queen storyline. Unless you have some evidence against this, I'm going to add it back in (along with a source, once I can track it down).141.154.203.75 18:33, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] D, G, I, L?

What do these letters stand for? There needs to be a legend somewhere on the article page. NeonMerlin 18:22, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

They stand for Demigod, Greater deity, Intermediate deity and Lesser deity, respectively. And they shouldn't really be abbreviated for that exact reason, a lot of people don't know what they stand for. --Agamemnon2 20:31, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A proposal

As an effort has been launched to systematically delete articles linked from this list and turned into redirects, I propose this policy be taken to its logical conclusion. The systematic deletion of every single D&D deity article linked to from this list and every single list like it. After that, delete the lists, for the exact same reason. Deities from the D&D game do not, in fact, possess any real-world notability. After this has been accomplished, start mass deletions of D&D content, there must be hundreds of undeserving pages on Wikipedia, detailing non-notable books, creatures, people and characters linked in some way to the D&D game. If a job's worth doing, it's worth doing right. --Agamemnon2 (talk) 17:48, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

I went here today to look for information that I have found here several times before, but the page was gone. So I ask, why ruin something that is good? Of course there are other places where I can find this information, but in this place, it was well structured, easy to find, and the information was good and pretty reliable. 83.253.157.100 (talk) 13:15, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
In principle I agree and sympathise, but rules are rules are rules. --Agamemnon2 (talk) 16:00, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
The rules seem to indicate just what Agamemnon2 wrote in the first paragraph. Possible reactions in my opinion:
1) Ignore the rules. I think this has been done in the past an no longer works, as more wikipedians have taken an interest in applying them to D&D articles.
2) Trying to keep articles in accordance with the rules. This would mainly mean finding third-party sources. For most articles I have only faint hope here - except on published books, where we might be able to find reviews in gaming magazines.
3) Change the rules of WP:Notability and WP:Notability (fiction) - at least with regard to role-playing games. I would like that, because I agree with 83.253.157.100, but I only have faint hope here as well.
4) Move articles to the appropriate wikia (e. g. Forgotten Realms Wiki or D&D Wiki). If we do this, I think we should ask, if e. g. this list can be kept in accordance with the rules and then do what User:Craw-daddy did - but only after discussing if the article is really non-notable.
I personally would like to ask everyone around in how far 2) is possible, and then do 4) where it seems not to be possible, though it seems sad enough. Daranios (talk) 16:47, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
I have long found this reference useful, but it now seems to be under attack for not conforming to Wikipedia's norms. I think new content added will struggle to conform to such, and this reference is far less useful if incomplete. Hence, I would advocate for option 4 directly, before any more gets chopped up and people get frustrated with Wikipedia, moreover waste their efforts in a futile attempt to satisfy the rules. Wikipedia doesn't seem to really want this kind of content, and there are other, stable Wiki's that do. Robert Rossi (talk) 15:08, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
A list of this style (although nowhere near as exhaustive) already forms the focal point for the deities section on the Forgotten Realms Wiki at http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Portal:Deities so it would be great to get some extra editing help over there. Fw190a8 (talk) 20:10, 21 April 2008 (UTC)