Talk:List of Doctor Who planets

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1 Barcelona, etc
2 Woman Wept
3 Sontaran Homeworld
4 Eternity
5 Pete's world
6 Planets with the word "The" as part of the title
7 Planet name in Smith and Jones
8 New Earth
9 Inferno
10 Planet Thrace
11 Images and fair use
12 Earth - Boeshane Peninsula
13 Fair use rationale for Image:Arrival on logopolis.jpg
14 Fair use rationale for Image:Screens of zolfa thura.jpg
15 Fair use rationale for Image:Svartos.jpg
16 Fair use rationale for Image:Androzani.jpg
17 Messaline

[edit] Barcelona, etc

Adding planets merely mentioned in the series such as Barcelona could make for one extremely long list... --TimPope 17:00, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

What are people's thoughts on planets from books, audios etc. I added Polymos, because obviously the Nestene homeworld does exist in the series, even if it wasn't named, and hedged with an "according to...", but I'd be interested to know what people thought about adding, say, Heaven (Love and War).

In principle, I don't have a problem with this - I'm just wondering, though, if this might be pushing the boundaries of notability a bit. Polymos is probably notable enough, as it was destroyed by the Time Lords in Synthespians, wasn't it? But we should be discriminating. Like Tim says, adding planets merely mentioned in the series could make for a long list... --khaosworks 10:13, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

Okay, this is just my opinion, but I reckon a planet is worth mentioning if:

1) A TV story, book or audioplay is actually set there. Or:

2) It's the homeworld of significant alien race (minor novel characters who might as well be human do not represent significant alien races).

So, yeah, I think Heaven counts. --Dainhid C 23:00 27 Aug 2005 (UTC)

I don't see any reason not to make it a long list, properly annotated - we're not being charged by the byte and this can hardly be counted as a comprehensive guide (see the mission statement) if it's only the "important ones." My own addition to the list would be the planet Dust from the later EDAs, tied in substantially with Faction Paradox's intrigues and with the (rather pathetic novel) The Eight Doctors.

The newest Doctor Who TV episode (Doomsday) brings the importance of the completeness of the list into focus - I'd have never known that Arcadia, mentioned in the episode, was a planet in an NA book had someone else with that knowledge added it earlier tonight. I'd like to see that knowledge generally reflected here, especially with Russel T Davies being so well acquainted with the expanded universe.

I think it's probably best to list everything and each planet's source - leave it to the reader to decide how canonical the sources they wish to consider. --Melomel 12:30 9 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Woman Wept

TheDoctor10 had removed the description of Woman Wept's frozen seas, saying that he thought that was another planet. I don't think it is. Rose's speech begins, "The Doctor took me to this planet a while back. Much colder than this. They called it Woman Wept..." So when she says, "And we went to this beach..." and talks about the frozen sea, I think that's a continuation of the description of Woman Wept ("much colder than this") rather than discussion of a different planet. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 22:21, 10 January 2006 (UTC) dogs have no noses there.

[edit] Sontaran Homeworld

Please can someone help with this issue? I am sure that the Sontaran homeworld was referred to in the original series as Sontar. I have partial backing for this belief. The L'Officier guides to Doctor Who refer to Sonar and not Sontara. As they were based on the TV series only this must (?) have been his source. Numerous websites also mention Sontar including ones connected to the BBC. Example: http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/onthefuture/A874497 Mallanox 18:02 7 May 2006

I don't remember whether the Sontaran homeworld was named on-screen or not — I'd have to re-watch the relevant stories to check. However, I wouldn't use the L'Officier guides as a benchmark — Jean-Marc often combined his own suppositions with what was actually seen on-screen, and some of his theories are actually somewhat inaccurate. I've got a lot of affection for [i]The Programme Guide[/i] (it was one of the first bits of [i]Doctor Who[/i]-related merchandise I ever owned), but I wouldn't rely on it for accuracy. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 01:45, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

I got a citation--In The Time Warrior, the Sontarans are said to be "from the planet Sontar, in the southern spiral arm of the galaxy". Problem Solved. -- P.H. - Kyoukan, UASC 01:48, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Well done! —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 05:40, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Eternity

The Eternals mention that they function in Eternity, as opposed to time, which in their eyes is a very limited domain, so limited that they don't see how a lord of time can exist... so it should fit under Other, like E-space and N-space?

IIRC, the Doctor or the White Guardian mentioned "chronovores", creatures that eat time, fuction in Eternity also.

The question is whether or not the Eternals are speaking metaphorically or whether Eternity is a literal "place" or simply a larger period of which linear or known time is but a subset. "Time", for example, is not a literal place. The Fourth Doctor himself said, "I'm a Time Lord, I walk in Eternity." Which doesn't mean anything in the end if Eternity is simply a way to talk about the universe/multiverse at large. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 04:08, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

If it is the greater omniverse/multiverse, then it should be in that section, as it envelopes E-space, N-space and alternate/parallel universe versions of E-space, N-space, etc. 70.51.9.28 11:57, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

But we don't know one way or another, that's the problem. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 13:25, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pete's world

Sould this not be in 'other'? It is not a planet nor is it in this universe. Thoughts? Me lkjhgfdsa 21:31, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

A parallel Earth isn't a planet? (note that Alzarius wasn't in this universe either) --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 22:23, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm...then perhaps we should add Parallel Earth for the one that the Third Doctor visits in Inferno.... DonQuixote 00:04, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

We could, I suppose. My only reservation is what we call it without it being original research (reason I added Pete's World was because the Doctor actually suggests the name). --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 01:29, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

"A parallel Earth isn't a planet?" - I took the word world to mean universe. Me lkjhgfdsa 18:39, 14 July 2006 (UTC) it so is,how about we create a wikifile on dr who's parralel earths with pete's world inferno earth and aslarius

[edit] Planets with the word "The" as part of the title

I've placed The Slough under "S" but thinking about it, as technically "T" is the first word of the planet's title as opposed to just a word to make it grammatically correct, maybe it should be under T? Clockwork Apricot 00:39, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Generally all lists and encyclopedias have things with "the" in the title under the first letter of the next word. "The" is just salad dressing, and if we were to put the Slough under T it would be very confusing. -- Noneofyourbusiness (talk) 06:16, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Planet name in Smith and Jones

I've removed the following:

Petriful Reginci 9 A planet mentioned in the Dr.Who episode Smith and Jones.

The planet's name in the article (which I've also removed) was given as "Patrivolde Regency Nine". Some Who-related sites also give their own attempts. However I cannot find any reliable sources for the spelling of this planet.

Should the planet become of significance in a future story, or should the DVD feature the correct spelling of the planet's name, then we can include that spelling with a correct reference. --Tony Sidaway 15:34, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

If you put a search into google for BBC writers room and go to the link which now says something about an Eastenders script there is the script for the ep Smith and Jones, it will say on there how to write it! Vibia

[edit] New Earth

Having built up a recurring cast and a fairly complete backstory, plus culture and technology, shouldn't we give New Earth its own article, where we could put shots of the hospital, New New York, the Undercity, the Senate, the repopulated Uppercity, etc. ?--Codenamecuckoo 09:52, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree. - Sikon 16:06, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

I disagree. it's only been in two episodes. We know that there's a hospital and a big road, that's about it, barely enough for a stub.(Black Dalek 16:06, 10 June 2007 (UTC)).

I agree. New Earth is still important enough to be given its own article. -Joshuaissac 20:43, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
It appeared in two episodes already, so i think it should be given it's own article. - badwolftv 19:46, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
Disagee. Although it has appeared tice, there is not really enough information to warrant a separate article. StuartDD 20:10, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

All current encyclopaedic content on New Earth can sit quite comfortably within the relevant episode articles. Without substantial coverage in independent sources which don't primarily deal with those episodes, we lack a valid reason to start a separate article. --Mark H Wilkinson ^{(t, c)} 20:27, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Inferno

As far as i can remember, the production subtitles on the DVD of inferno gives it's name as Warp 2. if I'm wrong, could someone fix it?84.66.9.211 14:52, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

A polite note:The Parallel Earth from Inferno is not confirmed to be the same one from the 2006 series (although the possibilty remains). I've edited this accordingly.(84.66.115.236 16:48, 28 July 2007 (UTC)).

[edit] Planet Thrace

In the 2006 episode "New Earth" Casandra refers to meeting the ambassador from Thrace. She may have meant a planet, but IMHO she more likely meant the region of the present day Earth country of Greece. She shows marked xenophobia and an aversion to natural evolution in opposition to surgical evolution and so would probably (again all in my opinion) not be at all excited about meeting an alien, much less remember it fondly. PP (talk) 19:14, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Images and fair use

It's come to my attention that none of the images used on this article had the detailed fair use rationales necessary to comply with non-free content criteria. I've therefore removed them for the time being. If any editors feel any of the images were vital to illustrate the article, they ought to edit the image files accordingly before restoring; the images should be easy enough to find via the page history. Cheers. --Mark H Wilkinson ^{(t, c)} 16:58, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

I'll just do that, then restore them. Thanks for pointing it out.(Black Dalek 18:02, 29 July 2007 (UTC)).

[edit] Earth - Boeshane Peninsula

Is it confirmed that Boeshane Peninsula is in fact on Earth and not some other possible planet where Jack may have resided? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.65.153.134 (talk) 20:09, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I second this question. Humanity is a spacefaring civilization in contact with many alien species in Jack's time, so the Boeshane Peninsula is on a human colony world as likely as not. I'll remove this line if no official support can be found for it. -- Noneofyourbusiness (talk) 06:12, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Arrival on logopolis.jpg

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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Screens of zolfa thura.jpg

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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Svartos.jpg

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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Androzani.jpg

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[edit] Messaline

I suggested to merge Messaline into this article. I think a planet only seen in one single episode does not warrant its own article as per WP:N. More notable planets of the show have no own articles so why should this one? --SoWhy ^Talk 12:12, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, lets make more planet arctiles now, shall we. By the way, dont merge, I spent a fair amount of time working on that. Jughead.z(1) (talk) 15:18, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Just because you spent time on it doesn't make it notable enough for it's own article I'm afraid. I know it hurts but by Wikipedia's rule it really should be merged. --GracieLizzie (talk) 00:27, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Ouch, tough rule. However, there is a significant amount of infomation, plus a lot of photos. I say keep it for now. Jughead.z(1) (talk) 01:48, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Merge - There really isn't much of anything to say about the planet. There can be some interesting notes about terraforming, but unless they should ever go back I don't see a reason to give it a seperate wiki. Though I do think that an image (perhaps of the map?) would do well, considering that is rather distinctive. --Human.v2.0 (talk) 23:06, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Map, right. I'll see about that. Jughead.z(1) (talk) 02:24, 17 May 2008 (UTC) A map of what, exactly?

There, I added the local Solar System image. Good enough for an image. MAYbe.Jughead.z(1) (talk) 03:04, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Do not merge - I don't think that this article should be merged into that list, as a fictional Doctor Who Planet would have more space if it had it's own article and it would also look to more attractive to the reader. I would suggest just as User:Jughead.z(1) wrote to start creating articles for other fictional planets. I first created this article for that reason then User:Jughead.z(1) came and expanded it. Khaledelmansoury (talk) 18:20, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

But one episode planets are not notable enough for the their own articles. "It will be more attractive" doesn't justify the article remaining. --GracieLizzie (talk) 22:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Merge, and if not the Messaline article needs some serious improvements. U-Mos (talk) 18:00, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Do not Merge, Why would you merge? Who would want to see all the information about a planet "squashed" together with information of other planets? I've added a table to show the advantages and disadvantages of merging them together, feel free to contribute to it, don't forget to sign your name by using ~~~~. Khaledelmansoury (talk) 17:33, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Advantages of merging	Disadvantages of merging
Information of other planets is placed into one document so the reader might find information about other planets too while reading the information about the current planet (Messaline). Khaledelmansoury (talk) 17:33, 22 May 2008 (UTC)	Information might not look attractive to the reader Khaledelmansoury (talk) 17:33, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
One article with all information in it about planets Khaledelmansoury (talk) 17:33, 22 May 2008 (UTC)	Too many photos and information to merge in an article and therefore the merged article might look "squashed" Khaledelmansoury (talk) 17:33, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

You are missing the point. Messaline is not notable enough for it's own article. I know how it feels to be protective of an article. But unless you can find multiple citations of independent sources (newspapers, etc) that discuss Messaline in depth it isn't going to meet the notability guidelines. Even then it might not. Wikipedia is very strict in these matters. --GracieLizzie (talk) 18:36, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, if there's a DrWho wiki, I suppose the whole Messaline article could be copied, pictures and all, to there. Someone know of a suitable DrWho wiki this could be transplanted to? :^D --Nomad Of Norad (talk) 03:47, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Here there is one: http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/ Khaledelmansoury (talk) 17:39, 7 June 2008 (UTC)