Talk:List of Barbie's friends and family

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Contents 1 Sam as a boyfriend? 2 Links 3 Making the info more verifiable and useful 4 Family member "Shelly"..? 5 Tutti/Stacie 6 "Wee 3 Friends" 7 Opening Paragraph 8 Last names 9 Cousin Lulu

[edit] Sam as a boyfriend?

I know that's not correct, so I'm removing it. Tikallover 02:28, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Wait a minute... there is no "Gelinda"! I'm removing her too. Tikallover 02:31, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Um, is there actually a "Melody" as Ken's friend? Tikallover 20:41, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

From the 1 Modern Circle line of collector's dolls - Melody was described as being Ken's "best friend." -- Lampbane 19:00, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

I, too, had neglected the use of THAT Melody. It's strange, but true. So where do we place the "1 Modern Circle" Simone, who is most likely NOT the same Simone from the Play Line "American Idol" line-up (Just as A.I. Tori is neither the "Generation Girl" Tori, nor the new redhead Tori in the Kelly Klub)?206.58.228.197 18:55, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Links

Cleaned up the links so they linked to the correct Barbie pages instead of merely to the names -Pnkrockr 21:32, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Making the info more verifiable and useful

In the short time I've been watching this page, I've noticed there seems to be a problem keeping track of the various doll characters and verifying that they really existed. I have a suggestion. Perhaps we can cite a source wherever possible (books and websites and so on), and also provide info on what particular line the doll was part of when first introduced, particularly for one-off character names. If we know that a character was part of such-and-such a pink box series or whatever, then it's easier to verify that there was such a doll in 19xx or 200x. Karen | Talk | contribs 19:20, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Most listings such as this that I've seen (in price guide books, etc.) simply post a picture of the doll in question (often just a face shot) next to their name. Is this something that could be reasonably accomplished here?206.58.228.99 18:07, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Family member "Shelly"..?

I know that Shelly is what they call Kelly overseas, but I'm not sure that she belongs on THIS particular list. While Marina is a foreign name used for our domestic Kira, an "Ocean Friends Marina" Doll was actually sold here in the States, making her a viable addition. But if we include "Shelly", wouldn't we have to include EVERYBODY that Barbie has ever known, worldwide (names like Valerie, Bobby, and Viky spring to mind), including variations? Just asking...206.58.228.197 19:04, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tutti/Stacie

Hello! Tutti is Barbie's sister. Stacie is Barbie's sister. Tutti and Stacie are also BOTH on record as being the twin sister of Todd! Thus, Tutti and Stacie are (apparently) the same girl, using two different names at two different times, right? 206.58.228.46 03:44, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

I suppose that makes sense, but Stacie was very different looking from Tutti. Maybe someone who is more of an expert than I am can weigh in on this, because I have a definite pro-Tutti bias. Karen | Talk | contribs 18:53, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank You! Tutti and Stacie obviously reflect the artistic and structural sensibilities of their respective eras (much the way a "Ponytail" Barbie bears very little resemblance to a "My Scene" Barbie), but I wouldn't say that their appearances are so different as to make the idea that they could be (and likely ARE) the same sister unbelievable. Tutti is a little girl with blue eyes and (often) blonde hair, Stacie is a little girl with blue eyes and (always) blonde hair. I, too, ADORE Tutti, and remain unsure why Mattel would create such ambiguity by (evidently) changing her name to "Stacie" for her '90s re-release. But the fact that Barbie only has ONE brother, Todd, and "both" Tutti and Stacie are definitively stated as being Todd's twin sister, makes this pretty much an open-and-shut case for me! :^) 206.58.228.7 01:21, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Wee 3 Friends"

Here I go again, rushing to the aid of sister Stacie! When was it decided that "Wee 3 Friends" doesn't count for this listing? Each "Wee 3 Friends" Package proclaims that the (admittedly, NON-12" scale) Dolls are "From The World of Barbie!". That is certainly good enough for me! Stacie IS Barbie's sister, no matter the size, and her friends, no matter WHAT alias they're operating under (much like Tutti/Stacie herself!), should be recognized on the list. But if "Wee 3 Friends" is to be negated, then Janet's alias "Alexa", and the entire character "Miranda/Lila" (who may well also be Whitney, though this is only an assumption) are out in the cold! Why is this so? 206.58.228.216 01:50, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Moreover, since Stacie has not been sighted in the 12"-scale Doll line since 2001 ("Singing Sisters" Gift Set, I think?), should an "end date" be placed by her name, despite the fact that "Wee 3 Friends" Dolls are still on the market? Just wondering... 206.58.228.189 18:43, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Is Wee 3 Friends considered "pink box" or anything similar? It really isn't, which is why I don't put it here. It just seems like a slippery slope... no one's calling to put in Shani or anything like that, though I thought about it when I made the page. -- Lampbane 02:26, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I WAS wondering why Asha, THAT Nichelle, and Jamal (Shani's Friends) aren't mentioned here (I think that Shani should have her own PAGE!). The Heart Family should also be included, because BOTH of those lines went on record as being "Friends of Barbie", though the Hearts weren't given first names (but Mom and Dad Hadley, Midge's "Happy Family" parents, got in without that deciding factor). "Pink Box" is SO not an issue here, "My Scene", "Generation Girl", and even "1 Modern Circle" (which IS a Collector's Line, after all) ALL bring new names and faces to Barbie's (gigantic!) circle of friends. I really think that this list benefits from containing ALL the information that is out there, as opposed to omitting things that might seem unimportant to some. Speaking of which, how about those "Model of The Moment" Girls: Daria, Marisa, and yet ANOTHER Nichelle!!. Shouldn't they be in here somewhere, too, or is this going too far? Thank You for Your input, it's good to know that someone is paying attention! It amazes me how often this listing gets sabotaged with weird additions! It seems EVERYONE wants to be a Friend of Barbie! :^) Take Care! 206.58.228.214 08:55, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I just worry about putting too much on the page since we're obviously having problems with keeping things neat and factual. But I'm beyond trying to decide what's what. If someone else can come up with a good way to arrange things that accurately describes the "World of Barbie", I'm all for it. The only reason this page was created anyway was because I noticed Mattel was not updating the "Barbie Family Tree" on their site. -- Lampbane 21:44, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Being thorough and being neat do not have to be mutually exclusive qualities! A few edits back, I divided up the various lines ("My Scene" Friends, "Generation Girl" Friends, etc.) into separate sub-lists, each with its own running chronology. I felt that this allowed different users of a multiple name (like Drew or Blaine) to each be cited on their own merits, and not all run together, as the list appears now. It USED to be easy listing Barbie's Friends, but these days, Mattel seems to delight in muddying the waters! I further wonder if posting pictures of the Dolls (especially where a disambiguation is in order, such as between "Mystery Squad" Kenzie and "My Scene" Kenzie) might be helpful, but I realize that pictures might also just end up making the clutter situation worse still! I found the line divisions helpful, anyway. Do You know if there was some reason for their removal? Thanks again! 206.58.228.209 09:48, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

The problem with breaking up by series is where dolls appear with the same name and actually *could* be the same "character", since they're given the same hair color and facial sculpt. That's where it gets confusing.

With all these new lines, there really isn't a strong "Barbie Universe" anymore, is there? -- Lampbane 04:27, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

You're Right, it's not so much a universe anymore, as it is a whole Cosmos (That's Bigger, right? :^D)! With disparate lines such as "My Scene", "Fashion Fever" and the on-going "Beach" Series all going at the same time, it can make it hard to focus! I personally see no harm in keeping the "My Scene" characters (if nothing else) as a separate sub-list, nothing in THAT line of large-headed, Bratz-lite Dolls remotely corresponds to the rest of Barbie's more normal "life", despite the "sharing" of a couple names. I hesitate to bring up all the various Dolls that have come out over the past few years as tie-ins to Barbie's various Video releases! While a LOT of them are merely "Barbie AS So-and-So", unique characters such as "Rayla" from "The Magic of Pegasus" stand out, and kind of deserve a mention here. Not to mention ALL those "Dancing Princesses", with (mostly) original names and appearances. Is THAT where the line should drawn in the sand? It is true, these characters are fictional, even to Barbie! But the DOLLS are real, though. Am I over-thinking this, or do I just need to take a "Chill Pill"?! Thanks again! :^) 206.58.228.179 09:09, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually, the Barbie universe has become a multiverse with many parallel universes that sometimes cross. ;-)

Seriously though, I believe that Barbie AS So-and-So and all associated characters such as Rayla should NOT be listed. They represent fictional characters TO the fictional character Barbie; they are just fictional characters in the movies in which Barbie stars and IMO do not qualify as friends of Barbie. Besides, I don't want to see that can of worms opened up. Keeping track of Barbie's friends and relatives is already more complicated and murky than anything I would want to document. SirenDrake 00:48, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I definitely see Your point, as to the "reality" of Rayla, and all those Dancing Princess sisters, etc., and agree with it completely. I was just concerned that someone consulting this list might assume that since "Ashlyn" or "Edeline" aren't included, that the list is incomplete. I'll stop worrying, I guess. Thanks!:^) 206.58.228.204 08:12, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Opening Paragraph

I had noticed that on the main Barbie doll page there was no mention of how head molds developed for Barbie are sometimes used for her friends, head molds developed for Barbie's friends are sometimes used for Barbie herself, and sometimes more than one of Barbie's friends will use the same head mold. Also, there was no mention of how names often get reused, sometimes in ways that make it difficult to determine whether they reference the same character.

Given that the reuse of names is causing confusion on this page, I thought it might be helpful to add that information here in a short opening paragraph, and explain that some identities have been muddled over the years.

If any information about reusing head molds is added, I think that an external link should be provided to the website Katti's Dolls, but that a comprehensive list of head molds should NOT be added. IMO, a comprehensive list of head molds used in the Barbie doll line is outside the scope of this encyclopedia.

On a page that is principally a list, is such an explanatary opening paragraph forbidden or discouraged? And if not, what does everyone think about its merits and drawbacks? Personally, I hesitate to add such an opening paragraph without a go-ahead from an editor or a general consensus on the discussion page, but I do think it could add value. SirenDrake 00:40, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Last names

I see I've missed quite a bit of vandalism/fixing of vandalism! Some people...

But now I have a question: How important are characters' last names, if they are known? It appears that during the clean-up, the "Fairchild" was removed from the "Francie", and the "Carson" was left off "Tommy", as well as a few other instances (mostly in Midge's Family). And The Heart Family was edited out altogether! But all those "Generation Girl" surnames remain intact. Was this a conscious editorial decision? I'm kind of confused here...

Thanks in advance for any input/explanation that You can provide!

Take Care! 206.58.228.171 17:04, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cousin Lulu

Is this only for the Barbie family that have had dolls named after them? I have an old book that talks about Barbie's cousin Lulu... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.141.89.182 (talk) 21:16, 22 May 2008 (UTC)