Talk:Line of succession to the Spanish throne

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I just added the Duke of Calabria (of the elder line) as the potential heir after Juan Carlos's descendants, since he's the first in line who's not the descendant of a renunciation. But I wonder about our statement that it it impossible to tell who is next in line after the King's descendants. It seems to me that there are essentially three possibilities: 1) only the king's descendants are in the line of succession; 2) the king's eldest sister comes next after his descendants, because all renunciations were invalidated by the new constitution; 3) the renunciations are valid, and the Duke of Calabria is next in line. While it is, perhaps, impossible to judge which of these positions is correct, and it is unlikely to ever have to be determined, I see no reason not to list these three as the only real possibilities (unless there are others that I'm not aware of?) john k 21:34, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

It is absurd to speak about rights of succession of the Infantas Pilar and Margarita, and much more of the Duke of Calabria that the people do not even know it, so then if any of the 10 was not acceding to the throne with rights, the monarchy would be ended in Spain. There would be before a III Republic that a monarchy under the Calabria or people like that.--Joanot 01:32, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

The fact that the practical succession of anyone not descended from Juan Carlos is unlikely does not mean that there is not a legal question of who comes after Irene Urdangarin in the order of succession to the Spanish Throne. I'll ask again, to others who are interested in pedantic legalism - are there any possibilities beyond
  1. Irene is last in the order of succession, because nobody besides Juan Carlos's own descendants is in line;
  2. All renunciations made under the old constitutions are invalid under the current one, so Juan Carlos's eldest sister is next in line; or
  3. All renunciations made under the old constitutions are still valid, and the Duke of Calabria is next in line.

I say again, if those are the three possibilities, we should mention that those are the three possibilities. john k 03:37, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

On whose authority? The Spanish Crown has, presumably, declined to publish an order of succession because it does not know or does not wish to commit itself to an interpretation of the succession law beyond the present king's issue. I think that the "fourth option" is most likely: if don Juan Carlos's descendants become extinct or ineligible, the Cortes will have to vote on who, if anyone, is the rightful successor -- probably after a court case initiated by the descendants of his sister(s) or those of Infante don Carlos. The unique wording of the Spanish Constitution's succession clause has been much discussed. Its reference to "the historic dynasty" implies that others of that dynasty may be potential "successors" to the crown (whence future lawsuits), but it is too vague to crown anyone unambiguously (whence future Cortes votes). Besides, Infanta doña Pilar is believed to have reproached the King for raising their cousin don Carlos to the rank of infante in 1994 when that title was withheld from her popular late husband, so we can only imagine the dynastic quarrel that would ensue from conferring Spain's crown upon don Carlos knowing that his eldest son has wed a commoner without the consent of the King (as have all but one of his sisters) and against his father's wishes -- since marriage to commoners was the grounds for exclusion of don Juan Carlos's sisters and aunts, and their descendants. The article currently shows don Carlos as first in a "presumed" line of successors after don Juan Carlos's descendants, while casting doubt on that status for the King's sisters, which strikes me as an unjustified over-statement. I see nothing wrong, however, with changing the heading from "Presumed" to "Possible" lines of heirs, and adding the three speculative lines of descent, if justified by an appropriate source or stated in a way that does not imply official recognition (I don't know that Wiki should "presume", otherwise). Lethiere 21:17, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Revert

I reverted an edit which said that the second child of Felipe and Letizia is a girl. If this is true, please add a source. Thanks. Prsgoddess187 01:08, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I found a source, and reverted the edit back. Prsgoddess187 12:10, 28 November 2006 (UTC)