Talk:Light Yagami

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[edit] Character

Quote: James Brusuelas of Animation World Magazine uses "altruistically" as an adjective to describe Light's quest to rid humanity of its criminals.

Comment: Exactly since when is the word "altruistically"an adjective? It is an adverb. This is a mistake on either Mr. Bruselas' part or the writer of the article's part. At any rate, something should be done about it.

[edit] Reception

Light doesn't kill his own father. Soichiro was fatally injured by one of Mellos gang members. The reception section seems somewhat unecessary seeing as neither L nor Misa have one (in L's case an expanded one). Alexstarrr (talk) 01:50, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kanji

夜 and 神 do NOT mean 'star' and 'light'. Whoever wrote that clearly has no knowledge of kanji. I'm changing it to 'night' and 'god', which incidentally, is accurately glossed in the lower section of the article under "Character".--Darthanakin (talk) 14:39, 12 March 2008 (UTC)


i translated his kanji btw and it said "it is not yet published"

any coincidence?

--Tsukasahminaki (talk) 12:38, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Suggestion

Okay. I know I'm probably going to get a backlash from a lot of you, but here goes: I suggest merging this article into List of Death Note characters. Why? Because it's basically just a fictional character biography, with little real-world information. And that isn't really allowed here per WP:FICT, which notes that we have to have as much real-world content as possible, and there's none of that here. Apparently a lot of anime articles are like that, but I don't see why Death Note has to be like that too.HadesDragon 14:09, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

  • It may be best to devote character list pages to more minor characters and split major characters into their own articles. Also, Light Yagami, Misa, and L have their own articles on JA, so what may be best is to restrict individual articles to those three. WhisperToMe 17:07, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
    • I don't really agree. Fictional importance isn't what matters. Like I said: those articles don't have ANY real world content, no things like "Reception/Concept/Creation", which is what they're SUPPOSED to be focusing on, and they're relatively short too. If you'll take time to take a look at the Characters of Kingdom Hearts article, all the major characters excluding Organization XIII are all in that article. The reason for Organization XIII being separate, however, is because it has at least a little bit of real world content (the Concept and Creation of those characters), and less importantly because it would make the already long CoKH article way too big. I still think the L Lawliet and Light should be condensed and merged, Wikipedia isn't a place for plot dumps, which is essentialy what those articles are.HadesDragon 17:34, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
  • It may be a good idea to make this a policy discussion; the practice of making separate articles for fictional characters is extremely common, so it may help to discuss this with other editors on the Village Pump or some other medium WhisperToMe 18:09, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
    • Good idea. I'll be bringing that up.HadesDragon 18:28, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
      • Hold on, look at the Naruto character biographies! The main characters all have their own pages, and it's not like nobody's heard of Death Note. there should be a separate page for Light Yagami, L Lawliet and Near. Death Note's easily important enough to merit atleast that much attention to its characters. Using Kingdom Hearts as an example is irrelevant, as it is a game, and more emphasis should be put on the gameplay information and the storyline summary (along with the reception). Death Note ran for 108 chapters and 37 anime episodes, and is a character-driven fictional work, so it should have detailed character descriptions. If you want to put information like the charcter design and recepetion, put it in, but don't change it back to lists of characters, I find those unutterably dull and disrespectful as well as unspecific..--86.136.57.47 17:02, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
How is it irrelevant? Both are works of fiction, and both are character-driven. The same rule applies here as well. See, what I don't think you understand is that plot summaries aren't supposed to be the focus of these kind of articles. And you're treating it as such. The L and Light articles, are, in enssence, plot dumps. And short plot dumps at that. They don't have real world content, and therefore aren't allowed. From WP:NOT:
"Plot summaries: Wikipedia articles on published works (such as fictional stories) should cover their real-world context and sourced analysis, offering detail on a work's development, impact or historical significance, not solely a detailed summary of that work's plot. This applies both to stand-alone works, and also to series. A brief plot summary may sometimes be appropriate as an aspect of a larger topic".
See? These articles are exactly what ISN'T allowed on Wikipedia. There is no reason as to why Death Note should be an exception.
Don't you think I know about the Naruto character biographies? Bleach, and a lot of anime is the same way. Noticed how a lot of character articles have tags requesting that they be taken out of universe, with shorter plot summaries, and more real world content? I'm going to bet very few of them are above B class.
Unless Light and L have enough real world content on them to warrant their own articles, they don't deserve them, because they don't satisfy the notability guidelines for WP:FICT.HadesDragon 20:14, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
We should also look at the Japanese article and see if it has any info about real world content. WhisperToMe 20:18, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Eh, you can go ahead and do that if you want, but if it doesn't, it doesn't really matter, because it SHOULD have it, according to Wikipedia's guidelines. Though, a question: I DO plan on taking this to the Village Pump, but I'm a little new here, so I don't know exactly where. Some assistance would be greatly appreciated.HadesDragon 20:20, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Please start a new section here: Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy) :) WhisperToMe 23:45, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Alright, I've took it up there. Now we wait until a consensus is reached.HadesDragon 23:52, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
I have another idea. I do not know when Death Note: How to Read will be released in the United States, but I suspect the creator will discuss his characters and the development. Maybe this will help the articles. WhisperToMe 03:39, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
That's a very good idea. That's exactly the kind of info we need. Though, I think it's best that, with the info we currently have, that they be merged. Once it's released, and that information becomes available, it might be enough to warrant a separate article for L and Light.HadesDragon 15:46, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

I have a suggestion that will end all of this: just look up out-of-universe information. Go to the Naruto characte pages (best go with ones at GA-Class), go to external links on their references (like IGN or Anime News Network), look up Death Note there, and see what you can find on the characters. While I can see Light and L having a lot of reception, Misa and Ryuk are questionable. Also, add an Other Media section, where you can add their appearances, roles, etc. in video games, card games, etc. You'd probably help improve the Death Note main article as well. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares (talk) 20:20, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

  • I found reception for Misa - A bit for Ryuk but not as much as I found with Misa. WhisperToMe (talk) 09:06, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ending of Death note

I am very dissapointed in the ending (Wharehouse!

Light is the better character, his plan was laid out and he would not have put himself in the possition to fail-Near could not get 'near' him - thats it.I dont know who else agrees but I say that Ligth should have won..... 168.210.132.228 (talk) 12:47, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

No i was happy light got what he had coming to him the thing he had been giving out: death i my hate near but L FTW —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.109.111.212 (talk) 15:48, 1 June 2008 (UTC)


Now if this convo has no relevelent content to the article here, it should not be discussed.

Check: WP:NOT Xuchilbara (talk) 19:55, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Proper killing definition

Someone (probably many people) seem to continue adding Light to fictional serial killers. I'd like to note that 'serial killer' by definition means "someone who murders more than three victims one at a time in a relatively short interval". This wiki defines it as "A person who murders three or more people with a "cooling off" period between each murder". In other words, seperate events. The term 'mass murderer' is described as "the act of murdering a large number of people, typically at the same time or over a relatively short period of time"; a single event. For this reason, I'm taking him off the fictional serial killer category. By killing many people at once, he could be described as 'ugraded' from serial killer. WickedKnightAlbel (talk) 05:02, 17 May 2008 (UTC)