Talk:Liberalism in Australia

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I would NEVER consider the Australian Democrats (or any of its schisms) in any way reflective of liberalism.

The problem is that classical liberalism is quite different from the present day notion of liberalism.

Links to the "Liberalism in Australia" page come from classical liberalism pages.

I think this calls for a disambiguation page.

Anyone now how to implement such?

Andrew

I do not see any reason for disambiguation. To what? This article gives an outline of diverse variants of liberalism in its international meaning. Electionworld 06:24, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

I think the Australian Democrat history is appropriate with Don Chipp et al having set up the Party. The Greg Barns material is interesting but probably more appropriate to a biography of Greg. --Victor 08:33, 10 February 2007 (UTC)--Victor 08:33, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Contents 1 Liberal Leaders 2 Point of clarification 3 Paleoliberal 4 Quality control. 5 What on Earth is the Country/National Party doing here? 6 "People's Party" 7 Timeline 8 "Contemporary Australian Liberalism

[edit] Liberal Leaders

Should some small-l liberal Liberal Party leaders be added in this section - for example, Rupert Hamer or Marshall Perron or would this be POV???

I think in any case Steele Hall and Robin Millhouse could be added as they were leaders of the Liberal Movement which definetly was a small-l liberal party. Teiresias84 09:46, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Point of clarification

"The Liberals and Democrats have shown much more affection for the Senate than has Labor." Can anybody cite reference for this? Timeshift 06:02, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Paleoliberal

"However, a valid argument could be made that the Liberal Party is a classical liberal party of the paleoliberal mold" - can anyone provide citation for this? Timeshift 11:08, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Quality control.

The opening paragaph should lead into the article, not read as 'This article is about', that's more akin to a high school essay. Also, it should be clearly noted in the opening paragraph that the Liberal Party is not a liberal party, per se, as it doesn't do the whole personal freedom, freedom of thought, et cetera, et cetera, like a true liberal party would. 211.30.71.59 10:11, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What on Earth is the Country/National Party doing here?

There have never been liberals, not in a social sense, not in an economic sense. Slac speak up! 06:05, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Given that they have been in a federal policy union for over a decade, it is hard to differentiate them from the Liberal Party of Australia. There is also a third definition of liberalism you are missing, admittedly one used only in Australia, that equates to what "conservative" means in many places. It would of course be more constructive to add the ALP (and a few minor leftist parties) to the timeline and make it a timeline of all Australian political parties. 220.253.15.107 11:34, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "People's Party"

Who or what is the People's Party and exactly how is it that they merged with the Commonwealth Liberal Party to become the People's Liberal Party in 1911? Timeshift 08:49, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

google search... I'm not sure. My main point of concern is if it's true, the lack of this information in the CLP article, and the CLP being the CLP in the 1913 and 1914 articles... Timeshift 08:59, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

I can't find much. This government site on Alfred Deakin mentions in passing he was in the CLP/PLP from 1909 to 1916 http://primeministers.naa.gov.au/fastfacts.asp?pmSelectName=3 Peter Ballard 12:35, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

[1] offers a little about the PLP. [2] even mentions another sure one to add, an "Australian Liberal Party". If you're looking for a fairly authoritative source as to the creation and existence of the PLP, try the Library of Australia. [3] is a booklet they produced.220.253.62.51 (talk) 10:37, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Less material is available on the People's Party, [4] is a minor reference (and mentions an "Economy Party"). [5] gives marginally more. The People's Party appears to have been similar to the Country Party of the time, though based in the east rather than the west. 220.253.62.51 (talk) 10:37, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Sounds to me as though it was just a state branch of the Fusion. They went by various different names, as, incidentally, did state branches of the ALP at this stage. Slac speak up! 11:09, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

We've had a big problem for a long time in that we keep associating the early federal parties (especially the Fusion, which as I understand was pretty much a federal-only grouping) with state parties that, really, had bugger all to do with them. The Economy Party was, as far as I understand, a Victorian conservative party that was active around the time of World War I. I'm not sure about the People's Party, as it isn't one I've come across, but I'm sure it's a similar case - there's a whole variety of others from other states. We really didn't develop a nationally consistent party system until around the development of the Liberal Party in the 40s, and that's excluding the Lib-Nat mergers that took place in several states and need to be covered. We really need to thoroughly demarcate these early state parties, get articles on them, and sort out which was where.

I know of one potential source for this - a thesis someone wrote on the early Victorian parties, which I've been meaning to convince the National Library to get my hands on. I'm sure there's material around for other states, and it'd be a good project to get out of the way. Rebecca (talk) 09:02, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Timeline

FYI, "demerges" is not a word. "Split" is the term used in the circles. Also, "succeed" does not mean to leave. "Secede" as in, "The thirteen rebel colonies SECEDED from the Empire" is correct. I've made corrections to this effect. EvilFuzzyDoom (talk) 03:04, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Contemporary Australian Liberalism

This section needs a complete overhaul, as it does not tackle the current situation of liberalism in Aus Politics, and refers to Liberal politicians as being members of cabinet. (I Personally believe there are no 'true' liberalists currently in the Liberal Party, especially not Christopher Pyne!) If anyone has the time and knowledge to contribute to this section, please do so. TheCheez au (talk) 10:25, 22 December 2007 (UTC)