Talk:Liberal anti-fascism
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The article says that liberal anti-fascists will "typically" call for government censorship of fascist expression and "other forms of hate speech". This seems rather dubious, and would depend heavily on the country and the type of liberalism we're describing. Most liberal anti-fascists in the Anglo-Saxon tradition, for example, would consider government censorship a decidedly illiberal policy, and would instead call for (depending on the circumstance) fascist speech to be either ignored or opposed by anti-fascist speech—but not banned. --Delirium 10:02, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
- Nonetheless, this is how the phrase is used in the anti-fascist movement, certainly in Europe. BobFromBrockley 17:25, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
- That's my point, that it's only used that way in certain countries. In Germany, a liberal anti-fascist would support outlawing neo-Nazi parties. In the United States, he or she would not, but instead would counter-protest at their marches (nobody really considers the American Nazi Party worth banning). It might also be worth contrasting 1930s liberal anti-fascism with present-day liberal anti-fascism, since the two aren't quite identical. --Delirium 00:36, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
- I agree. 1930s liberal anti-fascism (e.g. Benedetto Croce) should be here. Especially as the American edition of the Euston Manifesto talks about reclaiming the (American) "tradition of liberal anti-fascism". And you're right, the place-specific nature of these terms needs attention drawn. Do you want to make a stab? BobFromBrockley 09:59, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
- I've finally made a start on that. Feel free to do more! BobFromBrockley 17:47, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
- I think the issue here isn't so much regarding the validity of that line, but rather its implied scope. I'm adding a worldview tag. Also, in itself, the claim that liberal anti-fascists would call for censorship must be interpreted in light of militant anti-fascism. A militant might very well disregard civil remedies; that the "liberal" would censor is intended to be a sign of moderation. I recommend that the tag on that line be removed, but I'll leave it up to you guys to decide. ~adropofreason
- I've finally made a start on that. Feel free to do more! BobFromBrockley 17:47, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
- I agree. 1930s liberal anti-fascism (e.g. Benedetto Croce) should be here. Especially as the American edition of the Euston Manifesto talks about reclaiming the (American) "tradition of liberal anti-fascism". And you're right, the place-specific nature of these terms needs attention drawn. Do you want to make a stab? BobFromBrockley 09:59, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
- That's my point, that it's only used that way in certain countries. In Germany, a liberal anti-fascist would support outlawing neo-Nazi parties. In the United States, he or she would not, but instead would counter-protest at their marches (nobody really considers the American Nazi Party worth banning). It might also be worth contrasting 1930s liberal anti-fascism with present-day liberal anti-fascism, since the two aren't quite identical. --Delirium 00:36, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
