Talk:Les Demoiselles d'Avignon
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[edit] Title?
Can someone give a translation of the title? I can guess, but then, I don't know French. Identity0 09:59, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
I used an online translator, and it says that it's "The Young Ladies of Avignon." Should I add this to the article? Computerwiz908 13:11, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
yeah, it means the young ladies of avignon, which is a place in france. 203.213.142.104 03:58, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Origin
I have not read it myself, but I understand that William Rubin's book The Genesis of Les Demoiselles D'Avignon, he outlines a theory that the disfigurement is inspired by syphilis victims rather than african masks, which were not available in europe until 10 years later. here is a link to a review of this book. Zmbe 05:46, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
- In the Private Life of a Masterpiece episode on this work, the African tribal mask issue is discussed. Apparently Picasso denied the link, and denied ever seeing them - "African art, never heard of it." Nonetheless, he is known to have seen African tribal masks while working on the painting. From the documentary, "While working on the painting, Picasso made a visit to the Ethnographical Museum of the Trocadero." and they include a quote from Picasso about viewing African tribal masks there, "When I went to the Trocadero, it was disgusting. The flea market, the smell. I was all alone. I wanted to get away, but I didn't leave. I stayed, I stayed. I understood that it was very important. Something was happening to me, right. The masks weren't like any other pieces of sculpture, not at all. They were magic things."
- Anyway, I just made a tiny change so that this article would link up with the African tribal masks article. I'll leave it to somebody who knows art to elaborate further.. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 206.248.181.238 (talk) 21:25, 8 February 2007 (UTC).
[edit] an alternate image
Image:Chicks-from-avignon.jpg needs re-tagging, but it's still available should anyone wants to use it. It has cuter filename, and shows a different (better, IMHO) color contrast than Image:Les Demoiselles d'Avignon.jpg. -- PFHLai 00:57, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] nonsense text
..suggesting the work as a meditation on the danger of sex, the, to a phrase of Rosalind Krauss's invention, "trauma of the gaze", and the threat of violence inherent in the scene and sexual relations at large.
I would correct it, but I'm not even sure what the transition is supposed to be. 130.18.55.228 21:27, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Reaction to Matisse?
In [1] it is claimed that Les Demoiselles d'Avignon was in part a reaction to Henri Matisse's Le Bonheur de Vivre and The Blue Nude. This claim comes from Matisse's biographer, but I'm not sure whether mainstream art historians would agree. AxelBoldt 22:39, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
- In his 1992 essay Reflections on Matisse Hilton Kramer makes the case persuasively. - Modernist 14:44, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
- Ok, I'll add it. AxelBoldt 03:49, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
