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May 21, 2007 Good article nominee Listed

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Contents 1 GA nom 2 RE: Additional sources 3 GA on hold 4 GA passed

[edit] GA nom

Okay I scoured the NY Times archives, the internet, and some books etc. and I think I've expanded this as much as can be done so I'm nomming it for GA. Let's see how this goes. Quadzilla99 19:20, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RE: Additional sources

You left a note on my talk page looking for additional sources. Here's what I turned up that it looks like you don't have:

• his stat page at JT-SW.com
• a page that names him the best LSU player ever to wear the number 97
• says he was a member of Omega Phi Psi fraternity in college. The list is alphabetical by organization. He's there...
• PDF of the 2005 LSU media guide. Has Marshall listed in several places, such as winning the Percy E Roberts MVP Award in 1982 (PDF page 11/Media Guide page 168).
• HTML version of above
• His page at College Football Reference Not much here, but if you poke around, you can find year by year results of LSU football games, and extrapolate the years that he played, so as to include such info as team records and bowl game results for years he played.

That's all I could find with an hour and Google. It doesn't look like he won many College awards. Near as I can find, he never played in a college all-star bowl game even (like the Senior Bowl or Blue/Gray Game), was never named to an All-American or All-SEC team, and never won any siginifcant position awards, and is not part of any known halls of fame (such as Louisiana Sports Hall of Fame or LSU Athletics Hall of Fame or College Football Hall of Fame). Unless a college player merits SOME national or conference distinction, they don't show up with much good information. Sorry I couldn't be of more help, but I think we are faced with a case that he was a solid, but not particularly great, college player, and thus doesn't merit much press. Maybe the archives of say the Baton Rouge newspaper or the Times Picayune or something like that? Not sure where else to go on this one. Good luck. --Jayron32|talk|contribs 04:38, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! Quadzilla99 05:44, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

I added info baed on those sources, thanks again. Quadzilla99 17:22, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

No problem. Any time!--Jayron32|talk|contribs 20:47, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA on hold

I have reviewed this article according to the GA criteria and have decided to put the article on hold until several items are fixed.

1. "Marshall was a defensive lineman who played twelve season in the National Football League (NFL)." "...who played for twelve seasons..."
2. "He was one of the better pass rushers in the National Football Conference (NFC) during his prime years and finished his career with 83.5 quarterback sacks." I think that the sentence should be reworded to remove "better", may be seen as POV.
3. "Later in his life however, Marshall Sr. expressed happiness over his son's success; even rooting against his beloved Dallas Cowboys when his son's Giants teams played them." Modify beloved, and I'm not sure that is the proper use of a semicolon. Have somebody else check it to be sure or just rewrite the sentence.
4. "He is the step-father of his wife's son by Rod Milburn, the Olympic Gold Medalist high hurdler, named Rod Milburn Jr. Milburn Jr. was eight years old when Marshall and Wilburn married." Although this is two sentences it looks like one due to the "Jr.". Reword a little so the reader won't be confused.
5. Add wikilinks for "sociology" & "Louisiana State University".
6. "He chose the school over Alabama and it's legendary coach, Bear Bryant, because of the school's academic reputation, and also because it allowed him to stay close to home." Alabama State University? If so add the full title. Remove legendary, again possible POV. Also remove the comma before Bear. Possibly "Instead of attending Alabama State University led by coach Bear Bryant, Marshall attended LSU because of its academic reputation and its proximity to his home." or something to that effect.
7. "Marshall played a crucial role in LSU's 1982 victory over Alabama, making several key tackles and prompting Bryant to regret his inability to recruit Marshall in a post-game press conference." Change to "...prompting Bryant to state his regret in a post-game press conference for his inability...".
8. "He was named the team's defensive Most Valuable Player for his performance in the 1982 season.[5] The team finished 8–3–1[6] and narrowly lost, 21–20, to the University of Nebraska in the Orange Bowl." Switch the two sentences around, better to have the record for the season before his MVP award.
9. Either expand on the single sentence about his speed or incorporate it into the NFL section.
10. "Marshall record 8 sacks in 10 games played in the strike shortened 1987 season." Change to "Marshall's record of 8..."
11. "In 2007, the hit was ranked as the third most "devastating hit" in NFL history by Fox Sports Net,[19] and the third most "devastating hit" in sports history by The Best Damn Sports Show Period." On a side note, I just watched this last week and didn't even realize that I would be reviewing the player's article. Just wanted to point that out.
12. "Marshall finished the game with four tackles, two sacks, and two forced fumbles, and was named defensive player of the week." Named defensive player of the week by who?
13. "Marshall continued to play a high level in 1991 and finished the season with 11 sacks." ...continued to play at a high...
14. "He declined rapidly after 1991." Either expand on this or remove it. Also was his playing ability declining or his health or both? Elaborate.
15. "His total of 79.5 as a Giant ranks him fifth in team hsitory." History is spelled wrong. In the next sentence, again remove "better" and also "impressive" a few sentences later in the next section.
16. "Marshall also appeared on radio during his five year stint on The Howard Stern Show where he co-hosted NY Football (CBS)." Add a hyphen between five year.
17. In the "Post NFL life" section, entrepreneur is spelled wrong.
18. Expand on the last sentence about him being a professor or incorporate it into another paragraph. Single sentences shouldn't stand alone.
19. For career statistics, I think you can go ahead and remove the columns that are completely empty, I don't think he'll be returning to the field anytime soon.
20. Although images are not necessary for passing for GA, keep looking for an image of Marshall, maybe on Flickr or some fansite. Make sure it is appropriately licensed and gives credit to its author. I'm not going to fail the article if it doesn't have one, but it would be great down the line.

Altogether, not too many problems, mostly grammar issues. Fix the above suggestions within seven days and I'll pass the article. If you have any questions or when you finish, please let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. --Nehrams2020 06:33, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

1. Done, I meant to make season plural in the first place.
2. Can't think a way to re-word that yet. Done. Quadzilla99 13:44, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
3. Done, have a look maybe it could still be better.
4. I can't think if a way to re-word it yet. Re-worded, it's still not the best but it's clear where each sentence ends and begins now. Quadzilla99 13:35, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
5. Done.
6. Done, I changed legendary coach to Hall of Fame coach and linked the University of Alabama. I also re-worded it a little, removing a redundant "also" and another comma.
7. Done.
8. Done.
9. Moved the sentence, could still flow better in the text though. I just removed it entirely. I can't see anywhere to put it where it doesn't ruin the flow; it's kind of random info no matter where I put it. Quadzilla99 18:51, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
10. I meant to say that he recorded, that's what I put in there.
11. Cool, I was thinking of including a pic of the hit with a fair use rational, but since the only ones available are Associated Press photos I didn't. Those are almost never allowed unless the pic itself is famous.
12. Done, it's an official award the league puts out every week. Unfortunately we don't have an article on it yet.
13. Done.
14. Removed, he was just getting older incidentally. He averaged almost 10 sacks a season from 1985 to 1991, then recorded 4, 2, and 2 in 1992, 1993, and 1994.
15. Fixed the typo, still can't think of a way to re-word that "Better" thing. Changed impressive to extensive.—Removed the whole better thing. Quadzilla99 13:44, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
16. Fixed.
17. Done.
18. I can't think of how to do that it contrasts sharply with the other information. Incidentally I almost never use single sentence paragraphs (see Lawrence Taylor, Mark Bavaro, Hakeem Olajuwon, etc) I just can't think of how to integrate that one.
19. I don't know about that personally, I use the same format for all players. On NFL.com, databasefootball.com, and espn.com they still use all columns even when they are blank and a player is retired.
20. Ok, I'm pretty good at finding images though so if there were some on flickr or on the usual places I would have found them. Quadzilla99 13:03, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

I apologize for all the typos and spelling errors. It's pretty embarassing actually, I should have looked this over more thoroughly. I addressed all of your concerns except one or two. In particular, I can't think of another to express that he was one of the better pass rushers in the NFC during his career. Quadzilla99 13:03, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA passed

Don't worry about the grammar, I enjoy nitpicking so it was fun for me. But I'm sure it would be safer in the future to have somebody look it over first as some other editor may have failed it. Considering the table, that sounds fine, and I'm impressed with the number of images you have uploaded. I've only been able to upload about five images so far of celebrities on Commons, but will try for some more throughout the summer. For the single sentence, maybe include a second sentence on what classes he is teaching, how long he has been teaching there for, awards, etc. I'm sure you've already looked for all of that, so ignore this statement if necessary. Good job on fixing all of the other items so quickly and so at this time I have passed the article according to the GA criteria. Keep up the good work and continue to improve it. --Nehrams2020 05:07, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Okay, but my grammar isn't normally that bad (I swear!). I was just sloppy when I wrote this. As fro the tpyos I'll be sure ot be more careful wehn tyoping in the future. Thanks! Quadzilla99 05:13, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Congrats to getting this one to pass Quadzilla! --Jayron32|talk|contribs 05:24, 22 May 2007 (UTC)