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[edit] crooner

I have a reverted the term "crooner" back to "singer" 3 times now. I explained my reasons with the first revert. No justification for using the term "crooner" has been put forward. It is a tongue in cheek offensive term which is not the description he applies to himself; indeed his profession in the info box is listed as singer. This is becoming an edit war. Do other users have an opinion on use of the term "singer" or "crooner" in the introduction to this article? --Brideshead (talk) 15:13, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

You're right, he's not a crooner. anemone│projectors 20:44, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
How it is offensive, it describes a type of vocal approach. The Michael Buble article describes him as a crooner. Tom Green (talk) 12:57, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
I agree that the term isn't offensive. After all, weren't Frank Sinatra and co often described as crooners? I don't think the term applies to Leon Jackson though. Crooning refers to a narrower band of music. Brett Leaford (talk) 13:36, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I have also now reverted this particular edit three times. He doesn't appear to be a crooner in the sense of the word as I understand it. In any case, I've started a discusion on the topic below. We need to sort this matter out once and for all. Brett Leaford (talk) 14:15, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I've also added a warning to the talk page of the user concerned, requesting he stop making disruptive edits. Brett Leaford (talk) 14:19, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Leon Jackson - crooner or singer?

I think we need to decide once and for all whether Leon Jackson is a singer or a crooner. One particular user seems to want him to be a crooner, while several other editors (myself included) disagree. So let's have some consensus on this matter. Brett Leaford (talk) 14:00, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Crooner if you read the THREE citations I have provided, he is referred to as a crooner in all. He is also refered to a crooner in many of the other references throughout the article. His idol, Michael Buble, is also refererd to as a crooner on both Wikipedia and in the media. The main problem here is you seem to think it's an offensive term, when it isn't. Tom Green (talk) 14:07, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
If you read my comments in the section above, you'll see I don't think it's an offensive term at all. What I do think though is that it's outdated, and doesn't really apply in this case. I wouldn't take everything you read in the press as being set in stone. Brett Leaford (talk) 14:11, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Far from it. I have now changed the article again. If you'd care to review it, I trust you will find this an acceptable compromise. Literally, he is recognised by many (if not all) as a crooner and this has been referenced three times. I could cite at least 30 if that's required. Tom Green (talk) 14:23, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
He is both Crooner and Singer. He sings well. He can sing softly. And he can sing loudly. Just like how he sang in 'The X Factor' of When You Believe. He sang softly at first, but when he is almost at the end of the song, he sang it loudly, but good. So, he is both a Crooner and a Singer. Celester Mejia 22:35, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Both is good. It will (probably) satisfy both camps. I'm happy to go along with that in any case. Brett Leaford (talk) 14:37, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm also happy to go along with the compromise as it now stands. I believe that the term crooner is an achronistic term easily open to misinterpritation and not suited for the introduction. --Brideshead (talk) 19:31, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree with that. Also, I actually thought the term crooner was something that belonged to the 1940s/50s era of singers like Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin and Johnnie Ray. Then again, I could be wrong. Brett Leaford (talk) 20:14, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] User:TomGreen and his pov edits

It's probably worth mentioning that User;TomGreen keeps adding his personal opinions to this article. What is the correct warning template for edits of this nature? Brett Leaford (talk) 19:02, 1 February 2008 (UTC) and is a good song whot you sing and I amreley prayd off you leon and I will sea you agen will you come to nawcaill upon tyanand farhana ang 10