Talk:Lena Phoenix

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I won't buck the judgment of Wikipedia's editors. If you think Lena Phoenix is not notable according to the established Wiki custom, so be it.

I thought the author, and her book, were important to those who wish to understand how a person becomes attracted to a cult, and how one gets out again. Hence, this article.

Navy.enthusiast (talk) 03:05, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed delete notice - more thoughts

I have slept on this since my last post and given it thought. Here's why I removed the delete notice.

When I created this article, it was because I thought the Phoenix book, and the articles and other material on her website are valuable to anyone involved in a religious cult. It is not a big seller, and the author is not widely known; but it appeals to a small niche audience so lack of popularity is to be expected.

The book is written such that it is more approachable than the writings of professional psychologists or academics might be. It is well suited for someone who needs to figure out, "how did I get into this, and how do I get out?" I wrote the article with them, and their friends and loved ones, in mind -- as a resource for someone newly introduced to a challenging experience.

Navy.enthusiast (talk) 12:19, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

The question should not be whether you personally like the book. The article is about the author, and we need to know if she has been covered in the regular press, and deemed significant. If you can find reliable sources to show her significance, then the article can be kept. Her book does not have to be a bestseller to establish this, but we rely on the published opinions of others to decide on keeping articles. Here are some typical criteria taken from Wikipedia:Notability (people):
The person has been the subject of one of the following sources (which must be referenced in the article):
  1. A credible independent biography.
  2. Widespread coverage over time in the media such as the BBC, The Times or other reliable sources.
  3. Demonstrable wide name recognition from reliable sources.
  4. In depth, independent, coverage in multiple publications showing a widely recognized contribution to the enduring historical record in the person's specific field.
Your own research could make the difference on whether the article can be kept. EdJohnston (talk) 15:24, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Survival of the fittest: I will let the Wikipedia community decide. Navy.enthusiast (talk) 16:14, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Expansion Request: Hopefully, some researchers will expand the article to meet the notability requirements, above, thus ensuring its fitness and survival. Navy.enthusiast (talk) 17:14, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

I am taking the liberty of adding WPBiography and asking for a peer review. Navy.enthusiast (talk) 02:04, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Could you complete the request please?:
  1. After adding{{WPBiography}} project banner, click on the "request has been made" link that appears in the template. This will open a page to discuss the review of your article.
  2. Place === [[Name of nominated article]] === at the top.
  3. Below it, write what you hope to gain from a peer review. For example, what are you aiming for with this article? Remember to sign your post with four tildes (~~~~).
  4. Add {{Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Peer review/Name of nominated article}} at the top of the list of requests.
  5. Add a link to your article to the beginning of the Peer Review announcement list. Thanks, DrKiernan (talk) 14:01, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Done. Navy.enthusiast (talk) 20:28, 22 December 2007 (UTC)