Talk:Legal intoxicants

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[edit] Suggestions

  • I think we need a section on legal status from country to country. Legality differs from country to country, and we should have a section that reflects this.
  • I think we need to better classify the members of the list and also to list them by major active ingredient.
  • Some of the categories are just stubs and need to be expanded.

[edit] alcohol, tobacco and caffeine

Why arent alcohol, tobacco and caffeine included? They are all legal drugs, SqueakBox 01:00, 19 June 2007 (UTC) SqueakBox 01:00, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Well I have added alcohol, SqueakBox 01:06, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
Look at the June 7 version in the history. SchmuckyTheCat
While I could see arguments for not including tobacco and caffeine there is no question both that alcohol is a very powerful mind-altering substance (though not in small quantities) and that its use is illegal in some places and restricted everywhere. Modern western culture absolutely involves people using alcohol as a drug for its perception altering qualities, SqueakBox 01:16, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Purpose

What is the purpose of this article? All the items listed already have their own articles. There is no article titled "illegal drugs." Legality issues are covered elsewhere anyway. Some of the items seem bizarre: nutmeg, a drug? Exploding Boy 01:19, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Nutmeg is definitely a drug. This list is very partial and could be expanded into something good but only by also having just a very short piece on each drug, say the length of the alcohol section, SqueakBox 01:22, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
Yes, summary style is the way to go.
There isn't a direct opposite article, but there are probably close to a hundred articles and lists about illegal drugs. There is a clear topic here that recreational drug users seek alternatives to illegal drugs. This article could also contain "stupid" alternatives like huffing paint.
In any case, the topic of alternative "highs" is a valid one, the goal right now is this article needs immediate attention for cleanup. SchmuckyTheCat
Glue is one that comes to mind, SqueakBox 01:36, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

I would like to see a clearly defined scope for this article. Legal where? America? First world countries? The UN? What is a drug? Anything that alters your body chemistry is a drug. Sugar is a drug. Is it limited to recreational drugs, or do healing herbs count too? What content will this article hold that is not already in the articles about the individual drugs? The topic is unclear. (H) 02:40, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

I think if we go by the UN and restrict it to drugs taken for their intoxicating effect (which wouldnt include tobacco or caffeine) we should at least have some parameters. I have modified the text to reflect this, SqueakBox 02:46, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree with H. This article was an even worse mess when I came accross it a few days ago. It claimed to be a list of drugs legal in most jurisdictions, but included marijuana! I have a problem with the title "legal drugs" anyway, since some of them clearly aren't legal everywhere, and some of them aren't usually thought of as drugs (again, nutmeg). Exploding Boy 15:34, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

I will most likely AfD this article soon due to its ill defined/arbitrary scope, and un-encyclopedic nature, and the fact that all its content is covered in other articles. (H) 16:22, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
This article has potential but it is so partial right now and badly sourced (we should have sources that people actually consume these drugs. We need info on the toads people lick and many other legal intoxicants (which would be a betrter title, IMO), SqueakBox 17:33, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
Toads? I think that only speaks to my issues with scope. You can sniff glue, or solvent and call that a drug, do we mention each brand? What about whiteout? (H) 22:20, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

I think AFD is the way to go. If it survives, then we can deal with the fallout. Exploding Boy 23:24, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm good with either legal intoxicants or AfD (with a slight preference toward the latter), but as it stands the title is simply stupid. Aspirin is a legal drug in most countries.--Curtis Clark 23:42, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
I think we should forget the afd and work on the article, which is what I am doing. It has potential and its getting better and better, SqueakBox 01:14, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Aren't we kind of just giving the DEA and the WHO reason to ban all these substances by creating this page? Brandonm2 16:42, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

I definitly agree with Brandonm2, this article could definity contribute to the witch hunt that is current drug policies, also that this article doesn't have a very factual, encyclopedic purpose. I'm not sure the intent here should be to tell people how to get high either. Furthermore, many of these intoxicants are not in fact legal in much of the world, such as the case with poppy tea; perhaps this article should be renamed, Alternative Intoxicants, or something similar. All of these already have articles of their own, which are factually more acurate, for example, kava is not usually considered a deliriant. If this article is to survive, I believe it is in need of major work. Its nearly impossible to list every possible intoxicant; there is over 200 plant sources of dimethyltryptamine, and many OTC drugs can be used to produce intoxication at high doses. Mike19772007 05:43 05 Jul 2007 UTC

[edit] What about dextromethorphan and diphenhydramine?

Both are OTC and relatively loosely regulated at the moment. I propose they be added. --Android Mouse 07:47, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. Dave Rebecca 19:46, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Added DPH. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.10.180.75 (talk) 05:37, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] reference 2

is not a reliable resource. It uses Erowid to back up it's claims. And the article itself that describes what nutmeg does to you is a suposed personal experience and not anything scientific. If nobody objects I'll be deleting it.RYNORT 07:51, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] second though

This article does not serve any purpose. These should be merged into the individual articles if anything. This is equivalent to supplying an article titled "How people feel good". It seems more like a druggies way of expressing there selves by creating this page then anything.RYNORT 07:56, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

I also question the encyclopedic value and the vagueness of the scope. 1 != 2 17:33, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Why has this article not been obliterated?

I'm a Pharmacology major at Duke; I found this page doing some background research for a test. The information here is so horrendously unencyclopedic (unscientific, un... etc.), and the "article" itself so poorly written and pointless, that I'm amazed the normally voracious "Wikipedians" haven't had a field day with it yet. On the Datura section it says "Datura is also one of the most powerful and the most deadly deleriant, although this is not verified." Are you kidding me? Not only is that sentence grammatically atrocious, what is the point of a sentence that makes a superlative statement and in the next clause invalidates it? This is typical of the entire article - it seems like most of the "entries" were written by high school druggies looking to share ways to get high. Not only is all the information on this page redundant, but also the writing is unprofessional across the board and the purpose of the page's existence seems much better suited to an amateur site with a pot-leaf background than to an international information project that struggles for acceptance as a respectable source in the world of academia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.159.78.64 (talk) 01:50, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Do not Redirect.

Do not redirect Legal Drug to this page. Legal Drug is a graphic novel for girls. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gohou_Drug