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1 Combat experience
2 Mass
3 Other Pictures.
4 ~50 tanks turned into tractors/ARVs?

[edit] Combat experience

being deployed somewhere or being part of a peace-keeping mission doesn't sound like combat experience to me, unless there has been a battle somewhere that I haven't heard of?

Combat experience is when people shoot at you, is it not ? Rama 21:32, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I think you have to shoot back somewhere in the direction of those who shot at you in order to call it combat. This often happens in peacekeeping operations, even if it is not supposed to.--AlainV 00:49, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Apparently, the Leclerc was used in Kosovo in urban environment as a deterrent (a dangerous environment for a heavy battle tank). So on one hand, I have yet to hear of a Leclerc destroying anoher tank in real combat; on the other, the Leclerc has been used in real combat environment. Rama 06:03, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

If no fighting occurs, there is no combat, and without combat there can't be any combat experience. The point was to say that unlike many other modern mbts, the Leclerc hasn't done any fighting, taken fire or fired in anger. But the current phrasing works well, I think. -Mikris-

The Leclerc saw action in former Yugoslavia. It was not much, since as soon as it started to shoot, magically all opposition disappeared. --WhiteEcho 05:27, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

well, that is the case of most of modern main battle tanks, for what I know. The exception would rather be the Abrams and the Challenger which, because thay are older and because of certain political circumstances, have been engaged in war zones -- though never against comparable opponents either. I still have to hear about a Japanese or German battle tank engaging in such activities- Rama 08:35, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

It all depends on how you count tank types and series. Swedish tanks, German Tanks, Japanese tanks and the tanks of many other industrial nations have never been engaged in any kind of tank warfare for the last 55 years, but on the other hand all Israeli tanks, all US MBTs, all UK MBTs and all MBTs of the soviet Union have been engaged in some form of warfare in the same period. --AlainV 01:38, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Mass

Can someone clarify the weight of this vehicle? What does "tons" mean? Are we talking about US short tons or tonnes?Blaise July 5, 2005 22:26 (UTC)

Standard, metric tonnes, obviously (the Leclerc is purely an European product, no non-standard units are used in its construction ;) ). Good point. Rama 6 July 2005 08:53 (UTC)

[edit] Other Pictures.

Is it posibble to change the pics ? The ones posted look old and you can't really take a good look at the tank.

The problem is that often the good quality pictures are copyrighted. But I am certain that GIAT would provide free photos if asked kindly. Or rather the SIRPA (the French military PR agency). Let me try to get something from them! --WhiteEcho 15:07, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

There are quite a lot of free photos on Commons, see http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Leclerc

I won't speak for the ones for which I am personally guilty, but I do not regard these

as particularly bad photographs, for instance. Rama 17:10, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ~50 tanks turned into tractors/ARVs?

Just a question for those in the know, but I was told that 50 or so of the first tanks that were built for the french army have had their turrets removed and been re-made into artillery tractors or ARVs (meaning only ~350 remain as MBTs). Does anyone know if this is true? Daft, 14:06, 4 March 2008

allright, so apparently it is true, the modified tanks are called MARS (Moyen Adapté de Remorquage Spécifique); They're modified series 1 tanks http://i23.servimg.com/u/f23/11/34/13/70/211.jpg they shouldn't be confused with the DCL (Dépanneur Char Leclerc), the purpose built ARV. there are in fact 355 Leclerc MBTs in use, of which 82 are series 1 tanks, and apparently they may be sold off. http://secretdefense.blogs.liberation.fr/defense/2008/04/vente-de-lecler.html

One to watch... Daft, 17:17, 29 April 2008