Talk:Lebel Model 1886 rifle

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Contents 1 Use in Spanish-American War? 2 Unbalanced? 3 NPOV 4 WikiProject class rating

[edit] Use in Spanish-American War?

some mentioning of its use during the spanish-american war would improve the article.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.3.225.189 (talk • contribs)

Answer: France was never even remotely involved in the Spanish American War. Furthermore the Lebel rifle was never marketed in foreign countries until very late, to be precise after WW-2 (1945), and only as a declassified surplus weapon .—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.189.104.116 (talk • contribs)

What was the point of the first post. The French, much less the Lebel, were nevetr close to the fighting in the Spanish-American War. The Spanish used Mausers, the Americans and Cuban rebels used a combination of Springfield Armory Model 1873 Trapdoor rifles and carbines, Remington Rolling Block rifles and carbines, and Krag-Jorgenson M1897 rifles and carbines. Furthermore, after the Great War, the Lebel was marketed to some of the new nations that found themselves being created. Greece and Yugoslavia both recieved Lebel rifles in the inter-war period, along with some Beethier rifles and carbines. These rifles were still being used during the Second World War by both of these countries militaries, and after the German invasion of both of these countries, by their partisan fighters. I have even seen some Lebels int he hands of Russian partisans (in a book entitled Allied Infantry Weapons of World War Two by Terry Gander, an excellent and informative book about many weapons used by the Allies, inlcuding the Lebel. I am also going to add a short section about German usage of the weapon during World War Two (because if you don't know, the Germans regularly used captured weapons in garrison and reserve units). —Preceding unsigned comment added by SAWGunner89 (talk • contribs) I have a Berthier or Lebel ,I think they are one in the same.do you know where I can get information? CONTINSOWZA Mle-M-16 1931 ? 8mm I am having trouble IDing the 1931 part ...lots of info 1886 thru1914 ````

[edit] Unbalanced?

Huh, I heard that the Lebel was slightly unbalanced because of it's tubular magazine which extended nearly to the muzzle? AllStarZ 03:57, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it is a bit less balanced than other rifles from the same time period. And the center of gravity of the rifle changed as it was fired, as the rounds in the magazine moved to the rear after each cycling of the bolt. The over all effect of this is very minor. These rifles were never designed as long range tack drivers. Rather they were meant to be able to hit a man-sized target out to 400 yards. The Lebel rifle is most notable for being the first smokeless powder military rifle to be employed in large numbers. Not of its innovative design or balance. Another point: Winchester rifles,from the 1866 to the 1894,also had tubular magazines yet they have never been qualified as unbalanced... n -CR —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.57.39.4 (talk) 00:38, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] NPOV

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe all of this article is NPOV. --Redlock 01:54, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 07:08, 27 August 2007 (UTC)