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[edit] Instead...

of saying "At this judgment, the knowledge will be general: the conduct and deserts of each individual will be made plain not only to his own conscience but to the knowledge of the assembled world"

taking the "this is the truth" stance, it should take a more neutral stance and say "It is believed that at this judgement..." and so on.

[edit] Something

when i was just a little girl i asked my mother, what will i be?... will i be pretty? will i be rich? and this is what she said to me.....n the matter without detailing other Christian and non-Christian beliefs, as well. (All this is assuming a rationalist deconstruction of the mythology, of course. Another point of view would be to point out that all of these religions have this belief in common, regardless of their possible inter-relationships. This should be examined from social and socio-political points of view, since beliefs in a Last Judgement have driven much of sectarian conflicts in the past 3,000 years.) There are also certain parallels between the concept of Last Judgement and the Buddhist notion of reaching nirvana.

[edit] Proposed merger with End Times

  • Oppose. While agreeing with the previous opinion that End Times beliefs are about something different from Last Judgement, and that End Times beliefs concern themselves with signs that we live in the last millennium before the Second Coming, I do not agree that they necessarily include beliefs about the Rapture. Not all Christians who believe in the End Times believe in a Rapture--a nineteeth century concept that has little representation in traditional Christian theology. MishaPan 19:01, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose for reasons already given by others. Goldfritha 19:15, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose because the mythological and urban legand of 'End Times' is distinctly different than the well defined concept of the 'Last Judgment' in the Judea-Christian perspective.

[edit] POV

I removed this statement:

However, this view is no doubtely wrong. The Bible specifically says that the dead are judged (Revelation 20:12) and that whoever is not written in the book of life is cast into Eternal death (Revelation 20:15). Also, the Catholic belief in Puragatory is non-Biblical in any way, and therfore does not represent an accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.

This statement is blatently POV and has no place in this article.The Scurvy Eye 19:15, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Near-death experiences

I don;t know where the following came from - added by an anon over the last couple of days - but it had no sources and it needs sources to be included, should it be worthy of inclusion at all. Palmiro | Talk 12:17, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Many near-death experiences (NDEs) include a Last Judgement, where the life of the subject is fully evaluated and scrutinized. The people having had NDEs say that in the Last Judgement they may feel the actions and their consequences not on behalf of themselves, but also on the behalf of the other people who have been subject to their actions. Interestingly enough, the NDEs with Last Judgement involve an universal memory bank, such as Book of Life or Akashic records, where the data of each and every individual's earthly life is stored. The Last Judgement is performed by Christ or other religious figure, but that figure never sentences the subject; the subject evaluates his life and gives the sentence by himself. While often very traumatic, the Last Judgement almost never leads into perdition, but either being allowed to remain in Heaven, to return back on Earth to complete their lives, or to remain in Heaven and later reincarnate back to Earth to fulfill their missions and to settle any wrongdoings. In the light of NDEs, the Esoteric Christian tradition and the Jewish concept of gilgul is correct. The Last Judgement in the NDEs is more akin to a Final Review or End Report over one's life rather than a judicial sentence; those NDEs with experiences of Hell, Perdition or Void never involve the Last Judgement, but the separation from God begins at the moment of death. The Perdition is seen as a result of one's actions and choices rather than as a result of a divine sentence..

[edit] Inappropriate content

I recently removed this text from the intro:

At this judgment, the knowledge will be general: the conduct and deserts of each individual will be made plain not only to his own conscience but to the knowledge of the assembled world. It is probable that no words will be spoken in the judgment, but that in one instant, through a Divine illumination, each creature will thoroughly understand his own moral condition and that of every fellow creature. For this reason, the Last Judgment is also called the General Judgment.

This seems way too POV to me. It makes some bold statements about the judgement and presents them as facts (and obviously, many would disagree with this interpretation). It also goes on to assert unattributed predictions about what judgement feels like; this is unacceptable, especially in the intro. I do think this content should be readded but only if it is attributed to someone, and I am not an authority to say to whom. (|-- UlTiMuS ( U • T • C | M • E ) 09:10, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Other religions

Why does this article only discuss the Christian concept of a Day of Judgment? --Renice 20:37, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

My understanding is that other religions rarely refer to a "Last Judgment" specifically. Other mythologies are listed at Eschatology. --Eyrian 22:35, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Do you know the facts of other religions??? Have you ever read other religious books to say that? Please dont' generalise depending on your own knowledge.

Last Judgment is more of a Christian concept, which is different than the 'End of the World' but there is a segment on the judgment in Islam, and it would be interesting to talk about the Judism concept of Abraham's bosom, because they don't necessarily feel there is an end, but more that they kingdom of israel will become the world power and that there would be peace, but in christianity, the belief is that this world is transformed and heaven and the old earth pass away, and the new jerusalem is a city where all believers will dwell in the presence of god and there will be no more sun, and god's glory will illuminate the city. but these concepts are different than the last judgment and don't belong in this article. Wyatt 15:00, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

This article obviously has a christian bias. This belief should not be treated as a christian creation. The earliest know beliefs of this sort should also be covered(i.e. Zoroastrianism).

[edit] Sheep and the goats - start of "sources" section.

I understand why we wouldn't want to include the "sheep and goats" passage from Matthew 25 in its entirety, because it is quite long, but the previous summarisation seemed to conveniently ignore any reference to helping the poor/sick/imprisoned etc, which was of courses Jesus' entire point with the passage- That the last judgment will be based on how we treated the lowest of the low, did we help them or ignore them?

The way it had been quoted took the passage out of context in order to reflect only iconographic features rather than doctrine and iconographic features.

Therefore i expanded the quotation slightly. It might be a bit long now but at least it is a better reflection of the only time in the Bible that the Last Judgment is described, rather than a reflection of popular Christian thought with all the inconvient bits removed!

I also put a quick note about how the judgment is entirely based on help given or refused to "the least of these". I think this is important to draw attention to, because it is the noteworthy part of the passage. 203.173.128.98 (talk) 21:29, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Judgment" or "Judgement"

Has anyone else noticed that the title of this article is apparently misspelled? Is there a reason why this refers to Judgment and Judgement? What's the difference? -Mike Payne (T • C) 20:52, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

It's just a variation in spelling, isn't it? The Oxford spelling is judgement, and the American is judgment. Carl.bunderson (talk) 04:28, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Islam

The section about Islam is full of wrong and unbacked facts... it should be labled with dispute for inaccuracy. Even the sources it depends on are not reliable ones! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.11.76.216 (talk) 15:39, 17 March 2008 (UTC)