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[edit] question

Dear Lanternix, Can you email me at egytsagi@yahoo.com? I want to ask you about Coptic art pictures. Thank you, Mariam. 216.72.6.139 (talk) 05:52, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Religion at Arab

I noticed you strongly interjected that "Copts and Maronites ARE not Arabs". I agree with you that most Copts and at least today most Maronites would not identify with an Arab identity. However, both ARE Arabized people. But the issue is not about WHO IS or WHO ISN'T an Arab, because there is no one single definition, and there will always be controversy.

At least on one level, I'm sure you cannot deny that an Egyptian Copt is no less or no more Arabized than an Egyptian Muslim, or a Lebanese Maronite is no less or no more Arabized than a Lebanese Muslim. That more Egyptian Copts and Lebanese Maronites don't identify as Arab compared to Egyptian Muslims and Lebanese Muslims is another thing, because on an ancestral level neither Egyptian Copts nor Egyptian Muslims are Arabs. They are the one and same people. The same is true of the Lebanese Maronites and Lebanese Muslims. You must also know that Lebanese Maronites were among the earliest and most prominent Pan-Arabists. Egyptians as a whole on the other hand, whether Muslims or Copt, were never Arabists as such, and the Arab identity in Egypt was thrust upon the country as state policy. Independent of this, Egyptians as a whole have been an Arabized people for quite some time.

If we are going to address the issue of religious observance of "Arabs" we have to acknowledge that one of the many definitions of "Arab" includes Arabized peoples. And in this respect, yes, Coptic Christianity and Maronite Christianity are among the many religions adhered to by "Arabs", in this case in the sense of Arabized peoples. For if they are not religions that are found among "Arabs", then neither is Islam. Most muslims, in effect, are not Arabs, but South and East Asians. Islamization is not a factor in Arabization. So while Copts need not be "Arabs" or identify as Arabs (as is the case for most of them, but also true for many Egyptian Muslims), "Arabs" may in fact include people who are Copts. It is on this premise that Coptic Christianity and Maronite Christianity were included. Al-Andalus 12:22, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Al-Andalus, you sound like a reasonable person but for some reason you included Egyptians in the infobox of that article even though this is a very controversial view for the Egyptian people. The previous version is more neutral. What does Arabized peoples mean, is it language? Are Egyptians who speak only English or French as a mother tongue English and French? No, of course not. Culture? No, Egyptians have a completely different culture from the countries in the Arabian peninsula.
Lanternix, it's time to archive your talk page man, it's getting harder to load. Let me know if you don't know how to do it. :) Egyegy 23:51, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hello

Hey my Egyptian mate, I am a Christian Iraqi wikpedian majorly based at Arabic Wikipedia, and was wondering if you can help us get Arabic wikipedia growing faster that it is now, especially on articles that interest u (Copts, Egypt, and Saints, maybe more ?). I myself am a sysop on Arabic wikipedia, and the reason why I am asking is because of your proficiency in many languages which will prove to be an important asset should you decide to "translate" articles to Arabic rather that compose them from scratch.

Let me know on my AR WP talk page here.


Regards


--Lord Anubis 13:01, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Egyptian identity section just saw it!

If the Egyptians wanted to be known as a distant group. They have to mention the Arabs (ashraaf and Bedouins 30% of Egypt roughly 25 Million) and the Egyptians 70% roughly 55 Million the majority. And Arabic language as the official language. Masri Dialect? if you want to call Masri a language then their are 300 Arabic languages. I can see why they are not allowing you reverts, because you are doing the same thing to the Arabs in Egypt! Its a known fact that 30% of Egypt are Ahraaf (or claim to be Ashraaf) thats Arabs or self identified Arabs. If you dont recognize them. How do you expect Arabs to recognize the whole Egyptian identity that you are working against by including the Arabs in it?. Egyptian Arabic is not a language, you should revive your old language instead of claiming Arabic as Masri! You can't have it both ways, either go Egyptian all the way or not.

  • AbdulHalim Hafez is Arab, his songs are done in beautiful Arabic. You are hurtiung your cause by including writers, singers who spoke and identified as Arabs. You have to fix The Egyptian article and include the Arab big minority and the Arabic language (so people dont get confused when they read the population 77Million and see it again in Arab! automatically they will think..oh Egyptian Arab) You cant convince the Ashraaf that they are Egyptians. They look down at Egypts past and they identify or (claim an Arab identity) which makes them Arab.
  • 70 % of 80 is about 55Million thats the population of Egyptians other wise you are just agreeing with the Arab article that includes all Egyptians as Arabs!--Skatewalk 23:41, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 17-30 million

See your talk page

[edit] Image source problem with Image:AlexMap2.jpg

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[edit] Saint Maurice

The IP is at it on the article above. I honestly think the only way to have a chance of resolving its continued attack of others is through RfC. If you agree, I think we should start one. John Carter 16:53, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Greetings

Hello there, Lanternix. As you said before (about the Coptic edits & references), I believe it is something to be looked upon — especially since I myself am an Orthodox Copt.

I'm glad to have done what I did (mostly) and I look forward to help you out with any issues. : ) ~ Troy 00:52, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Arab Christians

I removed the Egyptians from the list, its well known that the Egyptian Christians are 99%+ Non Arab. I added a section in the talk page. Add to it if you want --Skatewalk 03:53, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Arab

Hi Lantemix. I have notice you along with other disagree with large subjects on Arab article. I wonder if you would like to join the re-writing group of Arab article, if you decide to join then please visit and add your name on the talk page. Thank you. Nancy usa 08:28, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fix the Egypt identity section!

  • So I can look at something, ad eferences. You have to do the research work on the Arab minority (that you define as invaders). Then if ts relevant we can add it.
  • You don't see the big flaw in the Egyptians page!? Its simply (Egyptian Arabs).
  • The claim that Egypt is dominated by 1% Bedouins living in the desert is more insulting than anything else! You have to mention the Ashraaf Islamic influence if you want the article to gain credibility. Once you identify the Ashraaf as the invaders (logical 30% dominating minority).
  • If you dont agree with me! please explain to me how 1-2% Bedouins herding camels in the desert are imposing the Arab republic, language, religion upon the Egyptians!. You see what I mean!--Skatewalk 22:36, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
The entire identity section is referenced. If there is something you don't like there, ask me and I'll explain. The rest of my answer to you can be found on the Christian Arabs talk page. --Lanternix 00:34, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Its your article, you already know whats missing. (the settlers/wafideen or "invaders" if thats what you prefer) should be mentioned (the bedouins of Sinai are not from Hijaz, most are from Nejd and some are ancient Semites)--Skatewalk 17:38, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

You're the one complaining not I. When you identify the reasons behind your comlaints I may consider taking a look at the article. --Lanternix 14:30, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Arab article

  • You will not find a good reference for the Copts because of the political situation, so I will make sure it stays in the article. (please dont quote POV/blogs) it only makes it look like a shaky claim, we removed alot of references/sources that didn't have ISBN or were POV/blog[1].
  • If someone asks on a citation on why the copts are not Arabs, then I will add a historic reference of the Arabs referring to the Copts as a seperate group. As of now its not needed because nobody is asking for a citatation and its accepted.--Skatewalk 17:38, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
You're making stuff up. None of the sources about Copts/Egypitians were blogs, they are news articles, one Arab nationalist site which admits that Egyptians are not Arabs, and a link to the Egypt article where a ton more references are available. Please don't delete them again, it's considered vandalism. Egyegy 19:05, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi Egyegy,

  • The references are weak because as you said, ne from a nationalist website! and the second is a blog!. User Tiamut listed the bad references on the talk page and we agreed on removing the POV/blogs and unverified references. However,I didn't delete the facts that copts are not Arabs, so I am not sure why you are still reverting? unless you want to keep the article in constant vadalizing state and make readers think that copts are (maybe Arab or maybe not) instead of leaving it as it is (clearly not Arabs)--Skatewalk 03:46, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Race and ancient Egypt (controversies)

Hey you think you can join at the discussions here [2]? We need a reference for the Rameses the Great quote so we can include it in the article. thanks. Egyegy 20:48, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Arab Arab world WikiProject

Hi Lanternix. Here is the link. -- FayssalF - Wiki me up® 05:43, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Announcement

Hi, and welcome to the newly started Arab world WikiProject! As you may have guessed, we're a group of editors working to improve Wikipedia's coverage of topics related to the Arab World.

The project birthday would be celebrated every August 24.

A few features that you might find helpful:

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[edit] Request for template comment

Hello, I just wanted to know what your opinion is on this template. It would be nice to have any input on it. ~ Troy 19:19, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Church of the Holy Virgin in Babylon Al-Darag

I require help for developing the article for this Church (located in Coptic Cairo). You can do so by editing my sandbox at User:Troy 07/Sandbox (the page which currently holds my little project). I have contacted all of the other Coptic Wikipedians I know of for help. Please remember that copyright infringement will have to be reduced, as I have got the information from an article. I have typed a hidden message mentioning that and other things worth mentioning.

This is a list of all the Coptic Wikipedians that I know of (including myself):


Thank-you for your participation.

  • ~ Troy 18:55, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Copts ARE NOT Arab Christians!!!

I need your input. It seems that the fact that we can't entirely convince some people who are possibly more lacking on the details of how Copts view their ethnicity. I have said it time and time again: Copts are not to be labelled as Arabs!!!

...I know that this all seems silly, but your input will be greatly appreciated (as you could help in finding sources, pointing things out; etc...).

You can post edits on this issue at the following link: Talk:Arab_Christians#UNACCEPTABLE_OMISSION_OF_COPTS.

I have informed others about this issue.

Thank-you, ~ Troy 01:06, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] MATTA EL-MESKEEN

Please see this page. It is important that this is agreed upon.

Thank-you,

  • ~ Troy 02:31, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image:CopticFlag007.jpg listed for deletion

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[edit] AfD nomination of Egyptians

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[edit] Talk: Copt

Please take a look at Talk:Copt, Thanks.--George (talk) 16:03, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm thinking of nominating the coptic flag article for deletion and I wanted to know what you think before nominating it (because you're the one who created it). Please tell me what you think on my talk page or on the coptic flag discussion page. --George (talk) 18:48, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

I nominated the Coptic flag article for deletion, discussion will take place here.--George (talk) 22:00, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

If you know anyone else who might be interested in this discussion, please invite them.--George (talk) 22:06, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] ويكيبيديا مصرى

  • Hi, you might know this already,but I have put a proposal and started an active project for ويكيبيديا مصرى wikipedia Masri. If this may interest you , I would be very grateful for any help you can offer in this project, many thanks.--Ghaly (talk) 15:07, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Copts — constant rvs

Hello, there. I notice that we've both had to constantly rv edits by an IP address which doesn't even explain those edits. Just a heads up — these guys don't give up very easily. If you need anything, let me know. Later ;) ~ Troy (talk) 01:54, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Waiting

I'm still waiting for you to finish your comments on Talk:Coptic flag. George (talk) 04:00, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

I was reading your Cotributions page to see when was the last time you edited wikipedia (because I wanted to know wether you forgot about Talk:Coptic flag or you wasn't editing wikipedia at all) so I found three edits by User:Carmen22 that you reverted with the edit summary "rv vandalism", and I wanted to tell you that "vandalism is any addition, removal, or change of content made in a deliberate attempt to compromise the integrity of Wikipedia", and to assume good faith (BTW one of the edits was right, Khaled abol Naga was born in 1966 not 1976). George (talk) 22:01, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] ⲉⲕⲑⲱⲛ?

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a2ool tani? matensash. ougai. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.88.36.192 (talk) 02:36, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I couldn't read what you wrote. The Coptic appears as squares. Any idea how I can get to read it? --Lanternix (talk) 02:42, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
Trial

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Ok, now it works (make sure to write in the form of bla bla bla). Sure, I'll do it as soon as I'm done with exams. Probably in a week or two, if that's ok with you. Ougai. --Lanternix (talk) 02:51, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

la2 mesh ok. ̀ⲕ`ⲉⲙⲓ ⲉⲣⲟⲓ. yalla darouri. etsaba at gmail.com. 04:28, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion on "Egyptian Australian"

Hey, Lanternix! Just letting you know about this. You can have your say here (it's also where the discussion started out in the first place). Thanks, ~ Troy (talk) 01:18, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Lanternix. I'll be there when you need me—just put in the links of the disputes, and I'll help fill in the gaps by commenting with my views. See ya! ~ Troy (talk) 01:59, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Replied.

Replied here. · AndonicO Engage. 13:33, 7 June 2008 (UTC)