Talk:Land speed record

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[edit] first over 100kph

I'm not sure about the figures either: the "first record over 100km/h is listed as 65 km/h, which is very strange. Mswake 22:47 Jan 7, 2003 (UTC)

[edit] kilometre speed v mile speed

Ooopps ! This needs some comments. The speeds are in mph they are actually 2 records the record of km and record of the mile. Kilo speed = average speed on a km and mile speed = average speed on a mile.

Wait... Do you mean the "Kilo speed" is the speed over a 1 km distance measured in miles per hour? That seems rather confusing, no? Why? -- Infrogmation
It was measured in what you want; eiter kmh or mph. This is just a matter of conversion. In final version the table should give both kmh and mph, but I feel too lazy now.
There is 2 LSRs : the record of the km and the record of the mile. In some exceptionnal circumstances there was two record holders. See my comments on Talk:Henry Ford


Ericd 01:04 Feb 9, 2003 (UTC)
A little more.
Speed is never measured time is measured.
Ericd 01:50 Feb 9, 2003 (UTC)

[edit] other land speed records

What about other types of land speed records? By train for instance? Or the electric land speed record? Or the steam land speed record et.c.? // Liftarn

This are generally accepted absolute land speed records. Before 1914 rule where unclear and some trains may have been faster. After 1914 the LSR as always been established by an automobile except the first Spirit of America wich was a tricycle and then assimilated to a motorcycle. Of course there also a lot of record by example for piston engines, turbine engines, electric engines, solar powered cars, for train....... User:ericd

Perhaps we should have individual articles, Train speed record, Steam land speed record, Steam cylinder land speed record, Electric land speed record, Electric land speed record et.c. // Liftarn 09:51 Jan 9, 2003 (UTC)

If someone can find the bug in HTML to have links at the end, Thanks.

Thanks, Modemac.

Could someone do some more explanation? Why are the yellow articles controversial? This is important, because the average reader (me) has no idea what the controversy even is. Also .... can the yellow be muted somewhat? Maybe like the background on this page? It hurts the eyes ... :) Atorpen

This need a full article but that's a huge work. Well for Henry Ford see Talk:Henry Ford. The first Breedlove record is set with a 3-wheels vehicle so it's a motorcycle not a car. The Budweiser Rocket didn't set any record according to FIA rules if you wish to know more see http://www.roadsters.com/bud/. Making an accurate table is not a simple work and the subject brings at least 10 related articles. I'm not an native English speaker (and I sometimes have something else to do thaan writing in wikipedia), thus I need more helps that critics.

If yellow hurts the eyes, edit and choose the color you prefer.

Ericd 03:10 Feb 9, 2003 (UTC)

Under "Vehicle" are some names of the auto race, not trhe car's name. However, I am not expert enough to change them to what is proper or to make a new heading. NightCrawler 02:16, 6 Nov 2003 (UTC)

No, for instance the Gobron Brillié Paris-Madrid was a Gobron Brillié built initialy to race and the Paris-Madrid then used for the LSR read this as "Gobron Brillié Paris-Madrid" like "Ferrari 312 Formula One".
Ericd 18:13, 6 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] missing records

See also [1] for several disputed records that aren't even on our list. Rmhermen 15:23, Nov 6, 2003 (UTC)

Doen't seems to list many more controversial records.The list is expanded with several famous record atttemps.
Ericd 18:16, 6 Nov 2003 (UTC)
I see additional records in 1906,1910,1920,1923 and again in 1923. None of them are on our list. Rmhermen 18:34, 6 Nov 2003 (UTC)

My compliments on dating the records. --squadfifteen

Can anybody comment? I've seen (Timetables of History, I think) Barney Oldfield cred w a 1910 LSR. It was at Ormond Beach, & ToH creds it Daytona. ToH also creds Gil Anderson (of Stutz's White Sqn) w 1915 LSR of 102.6mph. Trekphiler 16:50 & Trekphiler 18:57, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

More stuff: 1928, Frank Lockhart piloted a 3.1 L streamliner to 225mph, smallest-engined LSR entry ever. Trekphiler 12:04, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Budweiser Rocket

The Budweiser Rocket entry is not an official land speed record. According to that page (which is poorly written and full of mispellings) the Budweiser Rocket team decided not to aim for a speed record, but instead to break the sound barrier. They claimed they did, yet onlookers heard no sonic boom. With absolutely no independent evidence and unreliable speed measurements it just ludicrous to include this one in the table. What if I claimed I did 1200mph last night ... should that one go in? Quirkie 16:13, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Table Too Big

I find editing the table difficult because of it's size. How about we split it up? What do people think - 100's of mph or decades ? PeterGrecian 14:59, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

I think decades would be good, put a heading before each subtable and we can also browse it more easily.Night Gyr 20:18, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Specs?

Am I asking too much to want specifications of the powerplant? I mean, an engine maker's name & power output, at least. Trekphiler 20:43, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Sorry but I believe your asking too much at least for power for early records. As their was no standardized means to measure the speed in early attemps I doubt the engineer or the driver now the real power of the engine. I know there is some modern measurement of the "Jamais Contente" engine power but what are they worth without original batteries ? However we could add some engine design information. Ericd 15:57, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm not looking for anything of great scientific accuracy, just commonly accepted figures. The Jeantaud, for instance, is described as 36hp in Northey, World of Automobiles (Vol 10), & presumably Tom Northey (who wrote the article, too) got the figure from somewhere... Trekphiler 15:16, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] unofficial records

I'd like to start an article about the unofficial pre FIA records. Sig Haugdahl Ralph DePalma Barney Oldfield et al. Any others ? PeterGrecian 14:26, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

The proviso that rails should not be used for a land speed record seems artificial and should be explained. The first sentence excludes air and water. There would be a different list of records before 1904 on that basis. JMcC 15:34, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

  • Rails are excluded because vehicles that ride on rails are considered trains. It's not artificial, it's the general standard. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 05:41, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Should there be any article for highest speed crash during a land speed record attempt where the person survived?

According to http://www.thrustssc.com/thrustssc/Press_Pack/castrl9.html and the Art Arfons article, he survived a 610mph crash in ones of his Green Monster land speed cars. --80.41.8.68 16:58, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

a couple of comments:

  1. no need for the article title to be capitalized.
  2. More importantly, the mph / km/h ratios are wrong (a mile is approximately 1.606 kilometres). I presume the mph figures are correct?
A mile is exactly 1609.344 m see Imperial unit PeterGrecian 12:33, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Land Speed Record broken by Cavalier driver

I added this interesting bit of news in, and will follow up as soon as more is reported. Please edit or even delete if deemed necessary. --Digitaldebaser 01:24, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] inconsintency

The line "April 28, 1926 Pendine Sands, Wales J.G. Parry-Thomas Higham-Thomas Special Babs IC 171.01 273.60 170.62 274.59 Killed at end of run" is inconsistent with J.G. Parry-Thomas (death). -- User:Ggonnell 19:58, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

There's another: the table says the Benz ran twice, both under 140; in Tom Northey, The World of Automobiles (London: Orbis Publishing, 1974), Volume 11, p.1307, L.J.K. Setright says 141.42mph in 1911, which stood until 1924. Trekphiler 06:22, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Records?

What happened to the complete listings that used to be here? Trekphiler 09:48, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Long count?

Can somebody with a reliable source do some checking? The article says Marriott's record was 121.57mph, 1906. The Marriott page says 127.7mph. I've got a source that says 127.6. And I've seen a date in the 1920s... Trekphiler 10:01, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

I did some work on this article and related articles about a year ago. Here's some reliable sources, which all agree it was in 1906, and the speed was 127.659 mph (a few round to 127.7) [2] [3] [4]. I found no sources that say anything near 1920s or 121.57 mph. The last article also says "In 1985, Bob Barber reached 145.607mph in a steam car but only made one run – to qualify as a world record the average speed of two runs in opposite directions is taken." Other sources note that there was a fire that prevented him from doing another run. A year ago I found quite a bit about the Daytona Beach land speed records while looking through old photos at the Florida Photographic Collection. There are many great old photos that you can upload to Wikipedia. Contact me on my talk page if you need more help with either the FPC or researching land speed records. Royalbroil T : C 01:03, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
You're welcome for the sources. The Florida Photographic Collection is now NOT a valid source for images, so do not use them. The exception is that ALL photographs from before 1923 are Public Domain the U.S. The Collection does have lots of photos from before 1923. I unfortunately had to agree with the reasoning in the deletion discussion. Royalbroil 18:50, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Use of the term 'turboprop'

Campbell's car Bluebird (1964) used a Bristol-Siddeley Proteus gas-turbine engine which was originally designed for use in aviation for turboprop propulsion. The term turboprop implies the use of a propellor(s) driven by a gas-turbine. Bluebird drove through all four wheels (albeit with some jet component from the engine exhaust) so the term turboprop is misleading; one wouldn't describe a gas-turbine powered railway-locomotive, or a ship, as turboprop. Altered to gas-turbine. Archzog 12:24, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Turboshaft would be even better. The Proteus was designed as a turboprop, but many of them were used as either marine or power generation engines, purely for shaft-drive. Bluebird's Proteus was literally unique; it was double-ended with an output at each end. Although it was always hard to tell which end was which with a Proteus, the others only had a single-ended drive. Andy Dingley (talk) 14:22, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Off-topic

I deleted this:

"===World solar car speed record===
Date Location Driver Vehicle Power Speed over
1 km		 Speed over
1 mile		 Comments
mph km/h mph km/h
2005 Greece Flag of Japan Sky Ace TIGA Solar — 93 150
September 19, 2006 Taiwan Flag of Japan Sky Ace TIGA Solar — 102.5 165 [1]

This page is for the absolute record, not all the variants. Start a "World solar car speed record" page, if you want, but don't put it here. Trekphiler (talk) 14:06, 6 January 2008 (UTC)


I deleted this for similar reasons, from the 1983 to 2008 section...


Date Location Driver Vehicle Power Speed over
1 km		 Speed over
1 mile		 Comments
mph km/h mph km/h
August 21, 1991 Bonneville Salt Flats, USA Flag of the United States Al Teague Spirit Of '76 IC 425.142 684.053 409.978 659.654 Piston-engined & wheel-drive record

This entry should be placed on a specific page for wheel driven land speed record bennydtown 3 May 2008