Talk:Lamborghini Gallardo

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[edit] Production numbers?

Anyone have a source for the production numbers for these cars? It would be useful in the article.

[edit] Designer

Articles such as http://www.lamborghiniregistry.com/Gallardo/index.html, credit the younger Giugiaro (Fabrizio) as the designer of the Gallardo. Some other articles, http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0310_2004_lamborghini_gallardo/, say the design was an ItalDesign-Giugiaro/Luc Donckerwolke collaboration. Just looking for some feedback. So far it looks like Lamborghini credits ItalDesign-Giugiaro for the design.


I think it would be accurate to credit ItalDesign for the style and leave it at that. Barring a definitive statement from one of the Giugiaros, this may never be resolved. Forty years after the Miura, people are still arguing about whether the car is really a Guigiaro or Gandini design, and there was much speculation about the true designer of the ItalDesign-Volkwagen W12 concept (officially a Fabrizio design) when it debuted. The design process could very well allow for Donckerwolke and both of the Giugiaros to have made contributions. About all that can be said with certainty about the Gallardo is that the Giugiaros did "most" of the work. Audi seems to have been less inclined to micromanage this project than they were with the Murcielago, which was credited entirely to Donckerwolke. In all likelyhood, the Giugiaros produced a proposal and Audi merely adapted it to suit their corporate tastes- a la Chrysler and the Diablo.

OK, dudes, they REALLY need to make a Gallardo model with scissor doors; the Murcielago, Countach, and Diablo got 'em, so why not the Gallardo?


Listen, I agree with the last guy but who is going to listen to us? We are just another consumor to them. My real anwser to that last question would be that I guess they dont want all their cars looking the same.

[edit] Pronounciation

Question for Italian speakers only: how do you pronounce Lamborghini? Is it lambor-gee-ni or lambor-gui-ni? I've had some debates over this with friends.


lambor-gui-ni I think.

Italian speaker here. Yes, it's lam-bor-GUI-ni, accent on the penultimate syllable, with a hard "g", same as in "good". If spelled "Lamborgini", then it would be pronounced lam-bor-DJEE-ni, same sound as the "j" in "jack". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.217.72.150 (talk) 18:54, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Lamborghini Gallardo with engine.jpg

I find the addition of this picture somewhat strange... The user who added it to this page gives the following desciption: "Lamborghini V12 engine, with the Gallardo Spyder in the background".

  1. As far as I know the Gallardo has a V10 engine, not a V12. Is this a typo or what?
  2. The car next to the engine looks like the Murcielago, not the Gallardo.
  3. The only Gallardo I see in the picture is the other white car partly hidden by the woman on the left.

Unless I'm missing some points and someone can explain the inconsistency I'll revert to the old pic in a few days. Berserker79 11:52, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

My mistake, that is indeed a Murcielago Roadster (& its V12), not a Gallardo Spyder. I'll move it to the other article. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 11:58, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for clearing the issue, I was perplexed by the apparent inconsistency, but not 100% sure to remove/move myself the picture. Thanks, Berserker79 06:59, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gallardo pronounciation.

I removed the trivia about Akon mis-pronounciation, since it is incorrect. Standard Spanish pronunciation of the word is WITH L, not with a "y". nihil 23:06, 4 November 2006 (UTC)


By the way guys, NIHIL is AKON. He's just trying to cover up his stupidity.

I had this sudden urge to prove NIHIL wrong. So I did a simple search on google for the correct pronunciation for the word "gallardo". According to the official spanish-english pronunciator for the American Heritage Spanish-English Dictionary, the two "l"s are in fact pronunciated as a "y". To hear a sample go to the following website and click the speakerphone beside the word http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dict_en_es/spanish/gallardo.

Ok, so why is the mispronunciation not mentioned in the article? I think it should be noted.


  • WOW! That's cool.... from a Brazilian engineering student with spanish family line I have been promoted to a Senegalese rapper! :D

You should look better, the pronunciation of LL in Spanish IS different from country to country, you know? For some reason, Mexico is not the only country that speaks Spanish! The standard pronuciation of Gallardo in Castillian Spanish is Gah-LAR-do. Since you had the urge and did cite your sources, I will kindly do the same: http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A737723

Yours, André Zamorano Vitorelli a.k.a. nihil 12:31, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Gallardo is NEVER pronounced Gah-LAR-do in Spanish. Greetings from Spain. Will.

  • So how come my family in Granada does say all "LL" words with L and not "y" (just as in "Paella")? nihil 20:07, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Now that's quite interesting. I've recently seen some show on Discovery or something, including an interview with Luc Donckerwolke, the designer of the Murcielago, and I'm pretty sure he used the 'gah-yar-do' pronounciation. --Zahn 04:12, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Ok, therefore I'm resuming the trivia --Zahn 15:55, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

  • As far as I know, being a designer does not make one a language authority... even if most of the world says "ga-yar-do" it does NOT make "Ga-lar-do" a mispronunciation. nihil 01:22, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Ok, Ok... I stand corrected. I just talked to them and the LL Castillian is different from /L/ indeed, it's just not only the /y'/ the arcticle states, but not what I thought it was, there is a small "i" in it after the /L/, so, in any case, Akon is actually missing it. Now cheer up everybody. But I'm still no Senegalese rapper! :P nihil 20:15, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Just for the record, someone should change it to IPA format.

ManicParroT 08:46, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


So, is it pronounced "Ga-Lar-doh" or "Ga-Yar-doh?" Curious, as, personally, I would hate to start calling my favorite lambo using Yar.Konraden88 03:11, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

You guys are wrong watch this video the CEO of Lamborghini pronounces it with the Y sound http://www.automobilemag.com/multimedia/videos/6203004/2009_lamborghini_gallardo_lp560_4_in_part_1_of_the_build_a_bull_series/index.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.233.116.61 (talk) 03:36, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Price

According to MSN Autos (http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/overview.aspx?year=2006&make=Lamborghini&model=Gallardo) the price of the Gallardo is $175,000.. the article says it's 165k. I'm going to change it to 175k, but if anyone finds a more accurate source (like directly from the company lamborghini) that gives a different price, feel free to change it.


Somebody vandalised the price in the Superleggera section  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.125.180.53 (talk) 14:27, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Popular culture

US Rapper AKON repeatedly mentions the Lamborghini Gallardo in the lyrics of his most recent worldwide hit 'Smack That'.

So? --Vossanova o< 19:48, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

The Lamborghini Gallardo isn't featured in the video I Luv it from Young Jeezy its a Green Lamborghini Murcielago --[[User:BadBoyTC|BadBoyTC]

[edit] External Link

Hi i have currently made a new exotic car site here. I was wanting to add the relevant pages to relevant wiki pages and wondering if thats ok to do so? Please let me know.

Thanks

Richard

It's best you don't, even though it's tempting. See the guidelines at WP:EL. Only official sites and reliable sources from the media should be linked. Plus, it would look like self-promotion, which is a conflict of interest. --Vossanova o< 19:49, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Class debate

I feel that the gallardo does not meet the standards of being called a "supercar" due to the massive performance achievments required of the title. yes, the gallardo is an exotic (that most of us would enjoy having in our garage), however, it really doesn't perform very much beyond today's popular sports cars. the gallardo is a tad more nimble than most supercars, designed for slower traffic and whatnot rather than accelerating quickly.

if anybody agrees with this, please comment and or change the class ranking on the wiki.

Thanks, Cpgeek

It's still exclusive enough to be called a supercar. I don't think you'll find many people willing to change its classification. Also, can everybody please start signing their entries here? Four tildes - ~~~~. It's not hard. --Vossanova o< 19:55, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
The Porsche 911 is in the same class and it's listed as a sportscar too; i'd say the Gallardo is in that class too. Supercar should be reserved for completely unattainable cars like the Reventon. 129.125.180.53 (talk) 14:37, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Super Car status is attaiained by only a few cars on the whole planet. Enzo Ferrari, Mercdes McLaren SLR, Buggati Veyron to name the top ones in no specific order. Gallardo is no where close to the supercar class. Even the Murcielago doesn't come under the Supercar class and Gallardo is just a 'baby Lambo'. Neptune000 (talk) 19:45, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
These sort of categories are subject to inflation. Years ago less than 400 HP were enough to be a supercar (Lamborghini Countach). These days I think circa 500 HP should still suffice to be a supercar (Gallardo, F430). Even if the BMW M5 and similar saloons have also 500 HP, they are heavier and so different enough. Jeremy have called cars like the Enzo and the Veyron hypercars to distinguish them from your average supercar. The Reventon is just a Murciélago for very rich collectors, so it doesn't need to be in a different category. Rps (talk) 16:32, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] SVG Picture

Just wondering if anyone's noticed this - Image:TheStructorr Lamborghini Gallardo.svg. Centy 17:36, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

What about it?Konraden88 03:06, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] stick shift

Is this car manual or automatic transmission?--Kingforaday1620 22:11, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Manual with Pedal-Shifters. Konraden88 03:06, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] V10 info

I removed a few sentences on other applications of the V10 engine because there is a page dedicated to the engine itself and the information was incomplete/inaccurate. The Audi and Lamborghini engines are only vaguely related, having different heads, pistons, crankshafts and blocks. http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/66447/audi_s6.html If we want to talk more about how they are related and other applications of the engine, I think it should take place on the engine page. Eridanos 22:30, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

RPS, I removed your change because it conflicts with the link I provided above. Do you have the text of the article you cited? Maybe I am wrong in my reading of the above article, which says to me that Audi does not build the engine.Eridanos (talk) 19:49, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Of course I have it! I wrote it with the magazine in front of me! The journalist was at the Lamborghini factory seeing the parts of the V12 being QC and assembled. Direct quote: "Déception pour la Gallardo, sa mécanique (Audi) et les éléments de l'habitacle sont sous-traités et seulement assemblés à la main sur les chaînes, tradition oblige." And, BTW it doesn't contradict the other info. It seems Audi builds the "Audi" V10s in the same production line that builds the V8s, etc, which implies a 90mm inter cylinder distance which implies a different bore (so different pistons), heads, crankshafts and blocks. And since Audi wants to use FSI that is the other main difference. Rps (talk) 14:57, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, I didn't mean whether you had the magazine in front of you, I meant whether you had the text available online so that others could read it. Which I'm guessing you don't, but that's fine. The article I cited does contradict: all Audi's share a common bore spacing and are assembled along a line set up for only that bore spacing. The Lamborghini V10 does not have that bore spacing, ergo it can not be made in the same factory as Audi engines. I am trying to translate the sentence you copied (I don't happen to speak French) and I am not coming up with a definitive statement that Audi makes the engine. In fact the word "engine" is not used, the word "mechanics" is. Is that a common French term for engine not in dictionaries or is it a broader term as it is in English? The way I am reading it (again through translations so it could be off), is that some mechanical parts of the car are made by Audi and some are contracted out. But mechanical parts could mean just about anything, like brakes, steering, HVAC, etc.Eridanos (talk) 16:23, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
"Audi has access to this Lamborghini V10 engine for the R8 (and the S6 and S8 sports sedans) because it's an Audi engine block, produced for Lamborghini at Audi's Hungarian engine plant then shipped to the Lamborghini factory at Sant'Agata for assembly and installation." [1] Photos of the assembly line at Sant'Agata: [2] [3]
"with the bare engine block being shipped to Italy from Hungary, where Audi's foundry in Gjor is located." "Note that the aluminum spaceframe chassis has been developed by Audi AG and will be constructed at the Audi Aluminium Centre at Neckersulm, Germany, the chassis will then be transported to Krupp Drauz, a German coachbuilder who will mount the aluminum body panels Drauz also manufactures. Afterwards the complete chassis/body configuration will be returned to Neckersulm for a full anti corrosion treatment and actual painting." [4]
BTW, "The Gallardo's skeleton, by contrast, is a 600-pound aluminum space frame manufactured in Germany, and arrives in Sant'Agata preassembled and painted." "Though both engines are hand-assembled at the Sant'Agata plant, the Gallardo's V10 block is manufactured off-site and shipped to Hungary for finishing before it reaches Italy."[5]
"Interestingly, this engine is based on Audi’s 4.2-liter V8, with the cylinder heads and block manufactured at Audi AG’s Cosworth Technology factory and then shipped to Hungary for finishing." [6]
"Audi describes the 5.2-litre V10 as a 'derivative' of the Lamborghini's V10, and in fact the 5.2 shares very few components with the 5-litre Lamborghini unit, the only significant shared parts being the drivetrain for the four camshafts. The reason is that the Audi V10s are built at the same factory as every other Audi engine, which, for economies of scale, has been configured to produce engines with a common 90mm bore spacing. The bore spacing of the Gallardo engine is 88mm. This is how the Audi V10 ends up with a different cylinder block, a new crankshaft, different pistons and new camshafts, while the more restricted engine bay, plus Audi's desire to give the engine its FSI direct injection, result in bespoke induction and exhaust systems and a new sump." [7] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rps (talk • contribs) 19:09, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
OK, reading your cites, there is not a consensus among the sources. EVO says that the block is not made at the Audi engine plant. Drive/Edmunds says that Audi makes only the block and ships it to Lamborghini to assemble. Autobytel says that Audi makes the block and heads, but not in the normal Audi factory. But even in the latter two descriptions, what do we call an engine of which part of it is made in one place by one company and part is made in another place by a second company? In my opinion, who "makes" it is dependent upon final assembly. We don't give the credit to companies like Bosch, Delphi and Mahle who create components. I don't think we can sum it up in one sentence "Audi makes the engine."Eridanos (talk) 20:05, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Related information

That Jeremy Clarkson bit in Top Gear is about the Murcielago and not the Gallardo and so should be removed. Please check out the video on YouTube and remove it accordingly. Neptune000 (talk) 19:45, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Too many pictures

We have too many pictures (I recently added a picture myself so I'm not helping much) and I'm proposing we get rid of a few, which ones should be removed? The number 3 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 06:31, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] British police car

Could someone please fix the picture of the British police car so that it does not cover up any words. Every time I do something, it shows up fine in the preview but not in the article. Zach4636 Talk 12:44, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I looked at it in IE and everything was fine, but for some reason it will not work in Firefox. If no one else cares, I guess we can just leave it like it is. Zach4636 Talk 01:02, 26 February 2008 (UTC)