Talk:Labor Day Carnival

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[edit] NPOV in this article

Really shocking lack of NPOV in this article. One of the worst examples I've seen on wikipedia. Taco 06:06, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

It could use some citations, but this is miles away from the worst POV you're going to find on Wikipedia. Ford MF 14:39, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

But it is amazing (to me) that THIS could provoke someone so much. Why would anyone have something against a glorious friendly weekend of fun, costumes, music, food and dancing with some cultural education painlessly mixed in for good measure? CyntWorkStuff 01:46, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] in re: Problems at the Carnival

I have added two (2) references to place the problems that have occurred at Carnival in context of other NYC events. Obviously given the large number of parades and festivals that are held in the NYC area every year; the frequently rowdy and contentious nature of many of the citizens of that fair metropolis; as well as the fact that there will always be a criminal element lurking about; that some troublesome events can be expected to occur. For instance for quite a few years the Saint Patrick Day Parade on Fifth Avenue developed a very bad reputation for drunken hooliganism until police enforcement of sobriety and good behavior was radically stepped up.

Given the above facts, there area many, many, many other references spanning a wide variety of ethnic communities and events that could be added in. But may I respectfully suggest that we all acknowledge that crime exists in New York City even in the midst of a holiday gathering and furthermore that there is no reason for editors playing "can you top this" with the reference lists. CyntWorkStuff 01:19, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Of course there are problems and a criminal element at this event. This includes every street fair and parade on this planet. This section should be here, and be titled violence because this is the only parade in NYC that the problem is that people get shot and/or stabbed just about every year. Albeit an infamous part of this event it is a very notable aspect. fodient 14:40, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

While assuming good faith on your part, I am going to reverse out the changes you put in because they were made on what seems to be faulty information and some misunderstandings about Wikipedia.

First This is not the only NYC festival and/or parade where violence breaks out, for more examples see: "208 Arrested at Puerto Rican Day Parade, an Increase""Dominican Day Parade Revelry and Violence", it is a common occurrence. And just last evening at the annual Greenwich Village Halloween Parade all the news-media was trumpeting the rowdy behaviour at the end point of that parade in Union Square where everyone marches in and parties "Horror on Halloween as brawl breaks out in Union Square".

Given the number of people that attend, all of New York City's many ethnic and cultural events are very safe and fun. But of course the media likes to focus on these small sensational incidents. But it is misleading and un-encyclopaedic to be drawn into that mind-set and to repeat hysterical headlines that were designed to sell newspapers, and do not reflect the totality of actual events. The only damage that the vast majority of parade-goers suffer at the yearly West-Indian Carnival is to their wallets & diets at the various booths offering a tempting array of traditional Caribbean dishes.

The second point is that I deliberately chose an older article to illustrate that a certain amount of disorderly conduct has historically occurred at these big public gatherings in NYC. For instance in the 1800's competing groups of Irish-American parade-goers held a full-scale riot, "Something That Will Not ‘Blow Over’ (the Orange Day Riot)". This is not a new behaviour that just started happening this century and so should be shown in its proper historical context. CyntWorkStuff 18:52, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I did not say this is the only parade in NYC that break-outs in violence occur. Every parade has a history violence but this, like I said, is the only parade with a history stabbings and shootings. The Halloween shooting is not associated with the New York's Village Halloween Parade. It’s not even near the parade rout which runs north along Sixth Avenue to 21 Street on the west side. That shooting occurred at Union Square which is on the east side of Manhattan. Fodient 01:11, 2 November 2007 (UTC)