Talk:Labial-palatal approximant

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[edit] Removal of the swedish occurrence example

I have never heard of the labial-palatal approximant as a phoneme in the Swedish language. (Also I am a native Swedish speaker.) On the talk page of the Swedish phonology article though, I read that one person mentions that the close front rounded vowel followed by the labial-palatal approximant "is a not uncommon realization of /y:/". However, it is my opinion that the fact that this pronunciation is limited to only some of the Swedish dialects, and that it has no significance on the phonemic level, makes the Swedish occurrence example a poor one. Compare with the French example, where the labial-palatal approximant is both present in the standard dialect, and considered a distinct phoneme.

I do realize that even though the consonant is a dialectal realization and also not a phoneme it may be an useful example—provided that more information can be found in the Swedish phonology article (which, for example, is the case for the article about the voiced retroflex plosive). To summarize, I removed the example due to two things: It's not a Swedish phoneme (and not as distinctive as, for example, the Swedish retroflex realisations of the dental consonants) and its occurrence is not mentioned in the Swedish phonology article. Please reply if you disagree about the removal. Raekmannen (talk) 01:19, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

In addition, a number of linguists transcribe long high vowels for certain languages as /ij/, /uw/, etc. /yɥ/ looks very much like that transcription style. — Ƶ§œš¹ _{[aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi]} 04:03, 16 January 2008 (UTC)