Talk:László Sólyom

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he's going to be president just from august officially...

yepp, corrected everywhere I've seen the wrong info --Sicboy 23:11, 2005 Jun 7 (UTC)

[edit] His name

The article begins with László Sólyom (pronounced [ʃoːjom laːsloː]). I don't read Hungarian, but I'd be quite impressed if László really was pronounced [ʃoːjom] (Shaw-yom). IIRC, Hungarian is one of the languages that go surname-givenname, rather than givenname-surname as English usually does. So which is which? Also, when Anglicising Hungarian names, is there a standard order? If so, both listings should be in that order. (They should always be in the same order anyway...) Felix the Cassowary 00:11, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Okay, so it is really pronounced that way. See Hungarian language for information about Hungarian ortography and much more. The standard Anglicising method of Hungarian names is to change the order, so he is calles Sólyom László in Hungarian, but we use English order when using these names in other languages. So Sólyom is surname, and László is christian name. --Sicboy 00:23, 2005 Jun 8 (UTC)
Oww I see what you mean, the order in pronunciation is wrong, I'll change it immediately, sorry --Sicboy 00:23, 2005 Jun 8 (UTC)

[edit] POV?

Is "stuttering letters of the constititution" a quote? If it is, it needs to be so designated. If not, it is a hopelessly POV expression unworthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. Not everyone sees the written letters of a consititution as necessarily being hopelessly "stuttering", many think that it should be attempted to take them fairly literaly and to go with them to the maximum extent possible and practicable rather than to grasp for a hopelessly subjective "spirit" which may be alledged to permeate them. Rlquall 01:16, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Agree, edited. --Sicboy 01:49, 2005 Jun 8 (UTC)

In fact, "even over the stuttering letters of the constitution" is a quote from a Hungarian article by Gábor Halmai (a doctor of political and legal science, professor of ELTE, editor-in-chief of the legal periodical Fundamentum, director of Human Rights Information and Documentation Center, and chairman of Soros Foundation Committee), which article I found and used (among other sources):

"(...) Ennek az útnak – amelynek neve talán nem a legszerencsésebb elnevezéssel „láthatatlan alkotmány” lett – legfontosabb építőköve az a jó értelemben vett alapjogi aktivizmus, ami akár az alkotmány dadogó betűivel szemben is az egyenlő emberi méltóság elvének elsődlegességét hirdeti. Ezt jelezte elsőként a halálbüntetés eltörlése, majd az információs jogok, a vélemény- és a lelkiismereti szabadság, majd az elmúlt évben a homoszexuálisok élettársi kapcsolatának világszerte úttörőnek mondható alkotmányos védelme. Ezek a döntések bel- és külföldön komoly elismerést szereztek a magyar Alkotmánybíróságnak. (...)" His article in the periodical Világosság

Adam78 09:56, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Well I think we can omit that word here in Wikipedia, maybe an encyclopedia doesn't need the (either good or bad) style of Mr. Halmai :) --Sicboy 15:05, 2005 Jun 8 (UTC)

[edit] Circumstances of his election still relevant in article head?

I think the article head suffers from recentism. Something about Sólyom's current political stance could fill the place in better than the part about Szili, esp. regarding that the story of his election (albeit quite interesting) does already have a fairly long passage. 84.1.190.103 21:36, 1 August 2007 (UTC)