Talk:Kurdish-Armenian relations

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This article was nominated for deletion on September 3, 2006. The result of the discussion was keep.

Contents 1 Deletion? 2 Cleanup 3 POV tag 4 Islamic conquest 5 Article is biased and hence not inline with wikipedias WP:NPOV 6 Relations 7 Again

[edit] Deletion?

Why is this page up for deletion? Fedayee 20:38 3 September 2006 (UTC)

There are a few things that need to be added to this article but I don't think it deserves deletion. User:Cool Cat seems to think that its "obvious pov fork." The best thing that we can do is vote to keep it. -- Clevelander 01:03, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't see why this should be deleted either. --Davo88 01:06, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

The page is neither in accordance with WP:NPOV, WP:NOR. These are a non-negotible wikipedia policies. Page is also not inline with WP:POVFORK. --Cat out 04:01, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

The article itself shouldn't be deleted, but I question the accuracy of it. From my understanding, most of the Kurds fled Armenia during the Karabakh war, and the Yazidis in the West of the country are treated very poorly. The U.S. Department of State human rights report clearly lists the harassment of Yazidis as a problem, so if they truly are better off in Armenia than in other countries it is only in a relative sense. -- Augustgrahl

[edit] Cleanup

I've tried to clean the article a bit. I replaced the bit about Turkey being a foe, which was bordering on being paranoid, to mentioning that both Armenia and the Kurds have suffered persecution under the Turks, a historically verifiable statement. I also added some references and rewrote the blatantly POV section about the Yezidis in Armenia. I think these changes should help to bring the article in line with Wikipedia's policies. -- Augustgrahl

Turkey is a foe for both Armenian and Kurdish nations, because Turkish governments (Ottoman and modern) have tried various ways to eliminate first the former and then the latter from approximatively the same geographic area. In Eastern Anatolia, Kurdish fate would have certainly been the same as the Armenian one if there was nobody watching. --Davo88 02:52, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm very aware of what the government has been doing, my own family suffered greatly during the Armenian Genocide. However, Turkey is not some kind of "sworn enemy" of Armenia. There are people in Turkey who risk their very freedom to speak out against the government, Orhan Pamuk being the most notable example, so it's not like the entire Turkish nation is out to get the Armenians and Kurds. Augustgrahl 14:41, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Of course, there are notable exceptions like Orhan Pamuk, Fatma Muge Gocek, and many others. But unfortunately, it's a sad fact that Armenia's Turkish neighbours are hostile. The article has much improved since last time I checked. I'd like to thank those who contributed to it. --Davo88 23:31, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

This is true, but one should say that relations between Armenia and Turkey are hostile. Saying that they are foes is a very strong statement that can be and was taken as being POV. There's a fine line of diction between truth and bias. Anyway, nobody has actually reverted it back, so I'm assuming it's not an issue anymore. Augustgrahl 01:03, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

The article still needs work. Please add references to back up the claims, otherwise it may appear as original research. Augustgrahl 14:49, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] POV tag

Are there specific reasons for its addition? Usually they should be stated here on the talk page. —Khoikhoi 18:48, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

I think it's okay to take it off now. -- Clevelander 18:51, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Islamic conquest

The article states: "Kurds and Armenians became more and more distinct both culturally and politically as Armenians chose Christianity as official religion and Kurds chose Islam."

However it should be pointed out that the islamic conquest had very little effect on the Kurds, especially in this area. Islam began to spread for real after the 16-th century, this due to the devastation on the Kurdistan crated by the ottoman-persian war. This led the way for the spreading of the nomadic muslim Kurmanjs. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.236.237.148 (talk • contribs) 16:38, 24 October 2006.

[edit] Article is biased and hence not inline with wikipedias WP:NPOV

Article is biased many ways in practicaly every section including lead. A major cleanup is necesary before the tag is to be removed. --Cat out 04:22, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Relations

Although I am a Kurd and I do not know much about Armenians there is some false information in the article. First off the Map displaying Kurdistan is completely inaccurate as Kurdistan is much bigger then what is shown. Secondly many Armenian forums I have read state that the Kurds and Armenians were both murdered although the Kurdish people had some weaponry. Thirdly only the cowardly Kurds participated in the genocide against Armenians and most Kurds stand firmly against and feel for the victims of the genocide. Hekar 00:51, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Again

The same text with dubious reliability is added here without any changes. Again the Lacin, Kelbajar are out of Armenia, so irrelevant to "Kurds in Armenia" chapter. Also some npoving and corrections are needed. Andranikpasha (talk) 22:35, 12 January 2008 (UTC)