Talk:Kung Fu To'a

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[edit] Objection against deletion

I hope I did it the right way of objecting against deletion by deleting the tag. Tell me if I didn't.

I, myself, am a Kung Fu To'a practitioner. I created this article because my fellow students and I, and other people have tried to find this on Wikipedia without success. That's why I created it, also to start a more objective view of it.

Now, my objections: I don't agree with "non-notable".

• I have heard of other schools / teachers in my city only (Ghent, Belgium) (and only heard of 1 other Shaolin for example). There are more in Canada and Turkey, and expecially in Iran!
• I also believe that the fame and popularity of some other martial arts are due to the wrong reasons, but this has mostly not much to do with their wide-spreadness or notability! Television and movies, you know.
• One aspect of real martial arts is being humble etc.. and nobody practicing martial arts really make good wikipedians. Except those that make money out of it maybe or (grown-up) kids that like movies and fighting.
• Kung Fu To'a has a link with Iran and its army. That's maybe why some people have not selected it (to write about or to make a movie out of it). A kind of shame actually. And it's also very well known in Iran.
• More and more martial arts are evolving towards finding the best technique (be it for fighting, mind or body) and more and more teachers and schools are therefore straying from the strict and theoretical styles, and rather mixing the best things from several schools. But that doesn't mean we have to ignore the history of things (at least not in an encyclopedia). There are thus several styles that have even been derived from To'a. Some are more "famous" (and yeah, maybe also more notable) than To'a itself, but then we would loose that link if this article would be deleted?
• Google is not always a way of checking notability. Anyway, there are more Google links than the person who placed the proposed deletion, claims. Check here: To'a Unfortunately, a lot of people write it without ', as Toa, and that's making a mess: Toa (difficult to distinguish though)

I will ask my teacher to give me some more info though as he has trained in Iran at the source, because one thing I could agree with, is that it's still a stub. Meant to finish it later. R U Bn (Talk • contrib) 22:46, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

No, you were quite right to remove the tag and place this discussion here on the talk page. You make a good case for keeping the article: what you need to do now is to find the sources that will verify the claims you make above. These need not all be web-based: any impartial source like a newspaper, book, magazine article, radio or TV excerpt, independent website etc will do. Less independent sources like the websites of practitioners or teachers are acceptable too, as long as some more independent sources are cited as well.

I'd be happy to help with inserting the references correctly, if you can find the sources. It's rare and encouraging to find an editor who's actually willing to respond to a prod tag constructively, well done and I can only encourage you! I'll put a 'references needed' tag on the article page, not as a criticism or sign of disapproval, but to ask other editors to help us improve the article. Kim Dent-Brown ^{(Talk to me)} 17:29, 9 November 2007 (UTC)