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[edit] Relevancy of an article about the constructed language Kotava

To argue by advance with respect to those which when they do not know something decree that the phenomenon does not exist and to prevent any sudden deletion of the article, as that occurred yet in 2005, here a fast summary of the relevant arguments to the creation of this article. Below:


Enuca ke teliz icde Kotava vegedunava
Ta abdion dusivara vane mantan dan viele va koncoba me gruper kexir da wica me krulder, is djira va kota kaliarsafa telizsulara milinde batcoba bal 2005 sokiyir, tir kaliafa vildera va ebokafa dusiva se mu redura va bat teliz. Vleveon :

Wikimistusik (talk) 06:51, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kotava, living language

Kotava is one of the rare constructed languages which are other thing that an intellectual exercise and which counts some real speakers. This criterion appears essential to me, even if the language is little known in the english speaking world or in the "conlangers’" world. The Kotava speakers, around 50 fluent, prefer to spend their time to speak and communicate in their language rather than talking endless about the qualities of their language. And if many Kotava speakers are in Africa, that strengthens also its originality.


Kotava, blisa ava
Kotava tir tana riafa vegedunava tisa arcoba dam gruadafa funtera is disa va ageltaf usikeem. Sedme jin bata luda sedme nuvelar benelafa, kore bata ava koe englavaxo ok "conlang" xo zo grupenser. Kotavusik, mon 50 pulvinhis, abdialbad da pulvison is goleson kan intafa ava ugalzed lodame icde duga yo ke ava teniskon pulvid. Ise ede jontik kotavusik irubad koe Afrika, batcoba va inafa tanuskuca en tulopoar.

Wikimistusik (talk) 06:51, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Recognized language

Kotava has an official ISO 639 code. Only 15 other constructed languages also profit from such a recognition. Whereas many conlangs present in en.wp like Wenedyk, Románico, Verdurian, Enochian or Toki Pona are not even recognized. It would be incomprehensible that an article about Kotava would be deleted, or then only Esperanto should be kept.

I would add that Kotava takes part of the rare constructed languages localized and deployed within MediaWiki software of WM.


Kagrupena ava
Kotava va winugafa ISO 639 beksa deraykar. Anton 15 ara vegedunava va mana kagrupera dere belundad. Solve da jontika "conlang" ava tisa koe EN.WP, tulon Wenedyk ik Románico ik Verdurian ik Enochian ik Toki Pona, vol zo kagruped. Co-tir volrogildana ede teliz icde Kotava zo co-sular, oke anton Esperantoava maninde bam zo co-vider.
Loplekú da Kotava tir tana riafa vegedunava lizukana is vokena vanmiae MediaWiki talpeyot ke WM.

Wikimistusik (talk) 06:51, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

All an ISO 639-3 code means is that you applied for one and that SIL agreed that it was a real language. ISO 639-3 was created so that all the languages that couldn't meet the requirements for ISO 639-2 ([1]) could have a code. Almost certainly, those other languages could have a code if someone asked for one. This is hugely different from languages like Occidental, Interlingua, Klingon, Volapuk, etc. that have ISO 639-2 because someone actually had a collection of material in that language and needed to catalog it.--Prosfilaes (talk) 19:17, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sources and links

The sites indicated in links are all real websites, with real contents. They show the reality of the Kotava community. For example, the articles of the Kotava encyclopaedia (>2000 articles) like:

etc.

Many translations of known works also exist ("The Little Prince" of Saint Exupéry, "Scapin's deceits" of Molière, etc), as well as original works such as for example the collective work:


Se klita is gluyasiki
Koto bazeno internetxo tir ageltafo xo, dem ageltaf cek. Danedison va geltruca ke Kotavusikeem. Tulon, teliz yo ke Kotava xadola (>2000 teliz) :
ikz-
Jontik kalkotavaks va grupen suteks dere krulded (Sersikam ke Saint Exupéry, Nhagaceem ke Molière, ikz-), is dere tanuskaf suteks yo, tulon donafa neva :

Wikimistusik (talk) 06:51, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations on your return! After adding you to the list of constructed languages, I intended to write the article myself. Your language is a work of art that deserves representation in wikipedia. I especially sympathize with you in that my own language - lingua franca nova - was recently threatened with deletion.

Best wishes, Cgboeree (talk) 23:04, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

    • Well, I'm certainly not arguing that the article should be removed or something. Frankly, at this point I believe an article about Kotava is warranted indeed. But in its current form, the article doesn't look too objective; I'd even say it looks pretty much like a propaganda pamphlet at this point. Since I personally hate all those ugly tags in Wikipedia articles, I'm not going to add one here. But I think it would be A Good Thing if George and others made some friendly but objective/third-party edits to the article. —IJzeren Jan Uszkiełtu? 19:57, 16 February 2008 (UTC)