User talk:KonradBH
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KonradBH, I appreciate your response on the article Shannon Bramer. Here are my thoughts, if interested, that I posted as a response to your contribution.
1.) I do not believe that a "criticism" section is pivotal, or even required, to make an article a viable, appropriate article although you most likely agree that helps remove the appearance of bias. I would think that every artist's goal, to some extent, is to write/draw/paint/sculpt/whatever - things that people like. After that, they want to do the same for more people and more people. Eventually, statistically, someone will not like Shannon Bramer's work, and tell the world as much, in a reliable source. There is no need to create a geocities page (although I think you may have been being sarcastic anyway - point taken)
2.) I did state in my previous post that I thought the Shannon Bramer page deserves to exist based on the legitimacy of her works (I googled the ISBN numbers). Her page wouldn't be the first for a relatively obscure poet. I won't, hoewever, be the last editor to discover that the only contributors are from Guelph, and more recently, Toronto. (my sincere apologies for the Guelth-ificaton of your pad, won't happen again)
3.) If any other editor stumbles into the newly created Shannon Bramer page (and someone will, I did) they will see that the article was created by you, repeatedly edited by 74.114.227.72, then finally edited by shannonbramer, which is that user's only contribution. From the order of things, it will seem unusual (but obviously not impossible) that KonradBH started the article, then an unsigned user significantly updated it, then the subject of the article herself "finsished" it. It has the appearance that "74.114.227.72" is not you, but Shannon Bramer, simply because of the time order (most editors tend not to post unsigned after they've created a user id, they post unsigned right before they have a user id.)
4. Even if the ONLY change made by Shannon Bramer herself to her own article is adding a university, or even adding a middle initial, it is still COI and I'm sorry we don't agree on this. As an example, I can decide anything about myself and post it in my article (I don't have one, nor am I even CLOSE to ever deserving one). My middle initial is X. I went to Harvard. My goldfish is named Snoopy. I hate pudding. I have an elephant in my backyard. If I put it in there myself, it may or may not be true, and saying "it goes without saying that I am the best authority on me" is not verifiable, not sourceable, and impossibly entrenched in "Stephen Colbert style" self-bias, regardless of the triviality of the information provided. Who's to keep me from saying "I'm the best sculptor in Chicago according to me" and then citing my own homepage? It's a fine line. A solution? I don't know. The only thing added by Shannon Bramer was the university she attended, according to you. So add a link to a York University alumni page showing exactly that. My point is, the article needs third parties -- unbiased, "reporting without self-interest," or whatever you want to call it. They don't have to criticize her work, or praise it for that matter, just verify her existence and the biographical information about her. I went to the links provided, and they are quality links IMO. I wish (as you probably do too) that the Coach House Biography link was a little more detailed.
5. Please do not construe this post as accusational, because it is very much not so. I believe you that you are 74.114.227.72, and that you emailed Shannon Bramer, and met her once, and live in Guelph. I believe that she went to York University. But it doesn't matter what I believe. Most editors aren't going to care - they will see that you are a new user, Shannon Bramer is a new user and see collusion.
6. An unsigned user 99.225.10.54, interestingly from Toronto, has updated the Shannon Bramer page, and even more interestingly, has added her to the York University page. Doesn't make it true unfortunately, even thought it's probably true. Although I realize that Toronto is home to millions, and Guelph has lots of people too, the coincidences will be seen by others as well.
Good luck to you. Keeper76 15:17, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
