Talk:Kirsty MacColl
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[edit] Discussion
Comparing the following:
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- It would appear that there are two extra verses to the Kirsty MacColl version. nameley:
- My dreams were full of strange ideas
- My mind was set despite the fears
- But other things got in the way
- I never asked that boy to stay
- Once upon a time at home
- I sat beside the telephone
- Waiting for someone to pull me through
- When at last it didn’t ring, I knew it wasn’t you
- noted -- fixed GWO 14:35, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)
- That is what Billy Bragg wrote - but many of Kirsty's fans mishear the last line as "When the bastard didn't ring..." and, even when corrected, prefer to sing it that way. Jess Cully 03:35, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
- Billy Bragg claims to prefer the "bastard" version - source, http://www.kirstymaccoll.com/music/lyrics/a_new_england.htm Awo 08:59, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Work with the BBC
Was she not working for the BBC in the years preceding her death? Can we get any mention of that in her biog?
- Leaving aside her French & Saunders appearances, she presented a BBC-TV documentary about water pollution in 1991, and a Radio 1 series about political music in 1995, and that's about it. Jess Cully 22:35, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
See this link - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/1078192.stm Several articles at the time of her death mentioned this radio program on Cuba. I pulled up this article and it was done for BBC Radio 2, so yes, she was working with the BBC at the time of her death. NickBurns 22:13, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Neutrality tag
Someone has put a neutrality disputed tag on the info about her death. Can they provide more details, please? My source for much of that info was the Karen O'Brien book, as well as the Justice for Kirsty website, and I think it's presented in a journalistic, objective manner (ie, this is what happened, this is what Nova, et al, are being accused of - because there IS a court case) so I'm not sure where the issue lies. Thanks! NickBurns 22:09, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
- I think I answered my own question. I did re-write a few phrases in the info about the accident to sound less accusatory to the other party. I also added SEVERAL citations supporting the statements in the article. Please note, these statements are also included in the O'Brien bio. I removed the flags for citations and neutrality, since I believe these changes resolve those issues. NickBurns 01:02, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
I believe your points are very well written, I also agree mostly with your views, however the whole situation in regard to the suspicious death and probable negiligent homicide of MacColl is extremely complicated on many different levels. There are differing parties, languages, countries, parts of Mexico, bias, cultural differences, bribery and then egos as well. So to obtain a 100% clear view takes openness of mind, as well as patience.
The mother of MacColl is, it has been reported currently writing a new biography of MacColl and perhaps this will shed some new light on the matter.
The issue of Ivan Diaz and his perhaps partial responsibility and lack of prosecution, in regard to the investigation of the negligent homicide of MacColl, is a matter that needs looking into.
However all that NickBurns has stated, is all valid after hard work in researching. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sally1309 (talk • contribs) 07:08, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Just as a side comment....
I love the new picture! NickBurns 18:08, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Break it up
not enough subheadings, looks a bit tl;dr --Bobyllib 00:41, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
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- Y'know, I am ALL about subheadings - many articles look like unorganized blobs - but I disagree here...I think it's well done as is. NickBurns 14:21, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Singles discography
Sorry, but "Greetings To The New Brunette" (a Billy Bragg track), "Ask" (a Smiths track), etc., do NOT belong in the singles discography for Kristy. Yes, she sang on them, but she was not the credited artist. If someone wants to start an entry for "Singles Kristy performed on as a backing vocalist", go ahead -- be sure to include the above singles, the relevant Tracey Ullman singles, etc. But they do not belong in her singles discography. 172.164.6.164 21:45, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] NPOV tag needed
The section concerning her death is a very strange paragraph that should be tidied up.
To Quote: It was disappointing that the Foreign Office was reluctant to assist in public enquiries initially after the suspicious death of MacColl, however once the publicity kicked in, then they thankfully became more helpful. Some UK members of parliament were happy to take up the matter and write letters to authorities, however others were reluctant to do so. One helpful MP in this matter was Michael Portillo, the member at the time of Kensington and Chelsea. He wrote to Baroness Amos, yet she was unable to do very much, perhaps she was very busy in her portfolio at the time. The Ambassador of the Mexican Embassy Alma Rosa in London, was extremely helpful, she provided advice and information openly, before even the British authorities did so.
The bolded words are very personal in tone and hardly objective. Though what is written maybe true (I don't know if they are), it is not wikipedia's job to tell the readers what is disappointing or helpful, and certainly not to make snide comments about a Baroness. - Welshy 11:37, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
- Would it be more acceptable to pass snide remarks about a commoner? This is 2007 you know. Maikel 20:22, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
- The point stands, I think. It makes Wikipedia AND MacColl look unprofessional to have her entry so heavily coloured with judgments. Her story can certainly stand on its own, and doesn't need epithets like "helpful" and "thankfully" and so on - this way of telling the story is more appropriate for the Justice for Kirsty campaign website than for Wikipedia. Clippership (talk) 02:45, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
- The paragraph quoted above was removed from the article last month, so I don't see the point in continuing to criticize it. Has the article improved enough to remove the NPOV tag? The BBC's censorship of "Fairytale of New York" is in the news today, and it would be nice to have this article in good shape - Foetusized (talk) 13:12, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Kmaccoll tdk.jpg
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