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Contents 1 List of Soviet republics in the bottom 2 Requested move (Kyrgyz or Kirghiz) 2.1 Discussion 3 name

[edit] List of Soviet republics in the bottom

Dear moderators,

There is a mistake in the list of Soviet republics in the bottom of the article, it has the flag of the Moldavian SSR near the link to the article about the Kirghiz SSR. Could someone please correct this mistake? Bektour 11:52, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Fixed. Thanks for reporting it. Valentinian ^{T / C} 11:01, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move (Kyrgyz or Kirghiz)

The way I recall things, 'Kirghiz' was the transliteration used during Soviet times, and 'Kyrgyz' was adopted later. If so, it should be moved to Kirghiz Soviet Socialist Republic. Any info on this? --Soman (talk) 22:11, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

According to the CIA map (linked on Soviet Union, it was indeed Kirghiz. --Golbez (talk) 00:51, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

I've requested a move, so that the naming reflects the actual usage during soviet times. --Soman (talk) 07:15, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

• Support per above and evidence from contemporary map. Snocrates 07:41, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
• Support only moving to "Kirghiz SSR"; any move to "* Soviet Socialist Republic" needs to be handled on a wider basis. --Golbez (talk) 07:58, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
• Support move to Kirghiz SSR The Oxford English Dictionary only recognises Kirghiz. DrKiernan (talk) 13:05, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

I think Golbez has a point; We shouldn't change the initials of just one of the satellite states, we should consider them all (and probably the Russian SFSR as well). A quick look at Category:Soviet Republics shows that the initials SSR are used for all fourteen satellite states. That's not to say they need to be the same, there may be reasons for some going one way and some another. But in the absence of such reasons, they should all be treated in the same way. Andrewa (talk) 10:33, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Actually, 'satellite state' would refer to Poland or Hungary at the time, the SSRs were integral parts of the USSR. The 'SSR' vs. 'Soviet Socialist Republic' is a separate issue that Kyrgyz/Kirghiz, I do of course agree that any move would have to involve all of the SSRs and ASSRs. Generally, I think full names are better than abbreviations. --Soman (talk) 10:55, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Point taken regarding terminology, satellite state is of course used to refer to Warsaw Pact countries as you say. But is there a better term to distinguish the fourteen SSRs from the one SFSR, and from the various ASSRs which were parts of the RSFSR?

Agree that abbreviations are normally better expanded. I wonder why these weren't? Andrewa (talk) 02:12, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

(a tad off-topic but) there has been extensive academic debate on whether the Russians were the dominant nationality in the USSR, and if so what is meant by that. Some writers stressed that the periphery SSRs were colonies or like colonies under Russia, or that Russian excerted imperialism on the smaller nationalities. Whilst such discussions are very interesting in themselves, I think its best in wikipedia to primarily focus on the formal criteria. All SSRs (including the Russian and Transcaucasian SFSRs) had equal status in the Soviet administration. --Soman (talk) 10:51, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Also keep in mind that if this is moved, many articles will also have to be moved - like the flag of the SSR, etc. --Golbez (talk) 20:24, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Agree. But perhaps this is a good thing. Andrewa (talk) 02:12, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] name

So why was this moved to Kirgiz, instead of Kirghiz, which was what the RM was for? --Golbez (talk) 23:29, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, why this move to the wrong place? If anyone is looking under "Kirgiz", a redirect there will serve the purpose of getting to "Kirghiz".Cosal (talk) 23:52, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Don't panic. While checking google, I came across this page, which says that this term is rejected with source UNESCO. I see no problem in moving to "Kirghiz" if you say I got something wrong. `'Míkka>t 18:30, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

But all of the former SSR names are 'rejected' at that site, probably because they are obsolete. Considering it comes up with the list of other SSRs, I would say that source validates using "Kirghiz". --Golbez (talk) 19:49, 21 December 2007 (UTC)