Talk:King in the mountain
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I never heard of Teddy Roosevelt returning in glory
- This version was told orally at a Corn Island storytelling festival I went to. It was rather clever, I thought; I can't imagine any other US president attaching to this legend. -- Smerdis of Tlön 20:17, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
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- I know it doesn't prove anything, but this page (and the various copies) are the only hit on that story. Can you include more of what the story was about?
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- Roosevelt gone. Are there other bad examples present? If so, they should probably go too. Kfor 14:08, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Who is the original sleeping hero...?
This article states Frederick Barbarossa is "probably the original". While the article on Frederick_Barbarossa states that the the legend is "derived from the much older British Celtic legend of Bran the Blessed".
Interestingly the article on Bran_the_Blessed doesn't link to the sleeping hero at all. And after reading it I don't understand why it should... okay it has bird, but there is no talk of the hero/king in the mountain (Bran) returning in times of peril. On the other hand we can probably assume that Bran had a beard.
In my opinion the contradiction between the Frederic article and the sleeping hero article should be resolved. Unfortunately I don't have any idea if Barbarossa was the original sleeping hero or not. Or if Bran qualifies as a sleeping hero at all - being only a buried head and all.
It belongs here because the hero is sleeping. I would say its more similar to the story than differant from it.
[edit] Speculation problems
The talk of extinction and conservation in this article seems totally erroneous and unrealted to any real legend.
- I agree. The statements seem to have little or no connection to literary theory. I've done some cleaning up and clarifying -- including a "references or sources" tag for the strange myth at the top of the page. It appears to be a hybrid of the myth attributed to Frederick Barbarossa and some wild speculation and assumptions on the author's part. This whole article could use a lot of real critical work done on it to improve the quality. ~CS 21:46, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
- Okay, specifically, since Ihcoyc removed the citation tag without addressing the problem: The final paragraphs of the "General features" section appear to be quoting a specific text of the Frederick Barbarossa version of this motif. But it is applying this text to speak generally about "King in the mountain" folktales. As far as I can tell, most of the content of these paragraphs are not accurate when speaking about this type of legend generally. I'm not knowledgable enough on the topic to fix it, but it either needs to be fixed & rewritten, eliminated, or sourced. Until then the unsourced tag stays (unless you'd prefer a 'factual accuracy' tag.) ~CS 21:38, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
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- It is my understanding that the Barbarossa version is the most well known and typical version of the story, and the model for most others. Perhaps all that is required for the time being is a note that it is in fact the Barbarossa version. Smerdis of Tlön 03:24, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
I removed the following sentence from the Examples section:
- The motif combines the idea of a supernatural national defender with the concept of conservation.
I couldn't find any source for this statement, and the notion that the originators of this tale might have created it with any thought of conservation in a modern sense seems so improbable that that I couldn't justify leaving it in. I've moved it here just in case someone can find a proper source for this assertion. —CKA3KA (Skazka) (talk) 18:11, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Dracula?!
Besides the 2001 novel listed and the movie Dark Prince: The True Story of Dracula (which leads one to question Thomas Baum's defintion of True) is there any other source that claims that Vlad III is waiting to return?
[edit] Giant portion of article taken from The Hero With a Thousand Faces
It's copied verbatim from Joseph Campbell's The Hero With a Thousand Faces —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.14.37.211 (talk • contribs)
- Could you point out the specific lines that are the problem? I'd like to see this fixed. ~CS 05:08, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
- I think we need to deal with this. This would be a SERIOUS copyright violoation, has it been fixed since December? Goldenrowley 22:02, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
