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[edit] Lukashenko

I support the inclusion of Alexander Lukashenko as a Khozyain. The apparent paradox which the West sees ("why is he supported by 3 out of 4 voters if he is a dictator?") is better understood through the prism of khozyain. The voters in Belarus obviously don't share the Western view of Lukashenko as the last dictator in Europe. Rather, they see him as a khozyain, a father figure whose job it is to keep order in the household so as to be able to provide for the welfare and progress of the group. Sometimes the head of a household has to be stern and impose himself, even heavy-handedly, because the "children" act up. This is what the voters expect of Lukashenko, and no doubt some of his actions are caused by the need to be perceived as a real khozyain. Changing that will be an uphill struggle, because it is not a matter of changing Lukashenko but of changing the culture and mindset of the majority of the voting public in the country. But it can be constructive to look to other khozyain for examples of how the West can co-habitate with them (or example Yuri Luzhkov) and apply some of the same thinking to relations with Lukashenko since they are essentially cut from the same cloth. Since essentially the prime trait of the khozyain is to be pragmatic, and he is open to change if it benefits the welfare of the group, if the West shows some of the same pragmatism I venture to say that relations with Belarus will improve. - Mauco 14:07, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Meaning

The word itself means "proprietor", "owner", "host" (in relation to property), "master" (in relation to people) and posesses a slightly positive connotation. It is usually used in a ironic sense in relation to political leaders by those who favor "proper" democracy, and as a positive descriptor by those who favor "strong arm" authoritarian leadership. --Illythr 21:06, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Wouldn't this be important to add? I think so! Just remember that we should be able to source it, since this is Wikipedia after all. I know that you are right, of course, but verifiability is still important. As you know, we have had a couple of new people in the Transnistria-related who are willing to fight over every single fact which doesn't fit their worldview, so by just pointing to a source or two, we save a lot of time that would otherwise be spent on endless arguing over who is a KGB agent and who isn't... - Mauco 14:05, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
That thingy is a simple "expanded translation" and provides no special info except that this word is sometimes used to describe rather authoritative figures, something that is already included into the article. Here are two links Ozhegov Dictionary, New Russian Dictionaty. Both are Russian and neither mentions the political connotations I gave , i. e. "authoritarian". --Illythr 21:06, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] nonsense

This is a valid topic but regardless of Smirnov, the article has several nonsense claims that need to be rewritten or purged. They are obvious. If no one does anything, I will simply remove some stuff as I will unlikely have an inclination to rewrite it. --Irpen 04:27, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, any improvement would be great. I started this article and I must humbly admit to not knowing the details (since I am not Russian myself). I got my info from David E. Hoffman, the former Moscow bureau chief for the Washington Post. However, he in turn got it from someone else (Margaret L. Paxson), so you can see that this is passed on from one hand to the next before finally arriving here, and anything you can do to make it more accurate would be very beneficial. - Mauco 04:56, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

According to a common modern cliche, Khozyain politician is the authoritarian leader, usually of subnational level (mayor, governor) who, while connected to shady deals and using his position for direct and indirect financial gain, sort of "cares" about the well-being of his constituents. "He" builds and repairs roads, cleans up the trash, adds local premium to the state payments to the teachers and retirees, etc. This may make him popular, and among some circles even loved. His confusion of the official budget with his own business is usually not even hidden and is widely assumed but people sort of forgive him stating that everyone would have been involved in theft anyway, but this one at least cares for his place and its people. Moscow and former Kiev mayor fit this profile very well.

The problem is that this above is my own generalization and cannot be added to the article. I have yet to see this neatly summarized somewhere else. --Irpen 05:16, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Hoffman also lists it in his bestseller book "The Oligarchs" - Mauco 15:33, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Meaning of the word

Russian Khozyain means just owner/host/proprietor/master. Word 'Khozyaistvennik is derived not from Khozyain but from Khozyaistvo (economy) and means busyness manager. All over the world if politicians have problem with the democratic image they try to represent themselves as good managers/can do types of people. Unsurprisingly the list of Khozyains looks very similar to the list of politicians accused in undemocratic actions.

In English Khozyain is just a not notable neologism. abakharev 04:51, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

And, BTW, some of the persons mentioned in the list strive to belong to the "father-of-the-nation" category, not to the "meagre" "good manager/can do people". Yury Tarasievich 07:06, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
I had the same thought, but naturally we can expect some overlap. Time for a "See also" wikilink? - Mauco 12:19, 4 October 2006 (UTC)