Talk:Key lime pie

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

	Food Portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Food and drink, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of food and drink articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, you can edit the article attached to this page, or visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion.
Start	This article has been rated as Start-class on the quality scale.
Low	This article has been rated as low-importance on the importance scale.
Food and drink task list: Here are some tasks you can do for WikiProject Food and drink: Help bring these Top Importance articles currently B Status or below up to GA status: Food, Bread, Beef, Curry, Drink, Soy sauce, Sushi, Yoghurt, Agaricus bisporus (i.e. mushroom) Bring these Top Importance articles currently at GA status up to FA status: , Italian cuisine, Cuisine of the Thirteen Colonies, Coffee, Milk, Pasta, French cuisine, Chocolate Bring these High Importance articles currently at GA status up to FA status: Burger King Participate in project-related deletion discussions. Get rid of Trivia sections in articles you are working on. Add the {{WikiProject Food and drink}} banner to food and drink related articles to help bring them to members attention. It could encourage new members to the project too. Provide photographs and images for Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of food Review articles currently up for GA status: Burger King legal issues, Chocolate Review articles currently up for FA status: Butter

	Florida Portal This article is within the scope of the WikiProject Florida; If you would like to join us, please visit the project page; if you have any questions, please consult the FAQ.
Stub	This article has been rated as Stub-Class on the quality scale (If you rated the article please give a short summary at comments to explain the ratings and/or to identify the strengths and weaknesses.)
Low	This article has been rated as a Low priority article
Additional information: This article has been checked against the following criteria for B-Class status: Referencing and citation: not checked Coverage and accuracy: not checked Structure: not checked Grammar: not checked Supporting materials: not checked

Contents 1 Discussion 2 On the contrary, that's exactly what a real Key lime pie looks like 3 POV 4 Contradiction 5 NPOV

[edit] Discussion

that picture isn't that great, because it's covered with some kind of whipped cream or something meaning that it doesn't show the actual key-limeness. T-1 14:53, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] On the contrary, that's exactly what a real Key lime pie looks like

The topping is meringue, the true topping for KLP. Cool whip & other whipped cream concoctions are not authentic KLP toppings.

But I do understand what you are saying. Perhaps if we could find a photo of one that's been cut or or a close up of a single slice on a plate? Just be sure that it's topped with meringue and isn't green!

It wouldn't be right to take out the one that's there, since it's a whole pie. Other images online are most likely copyrighted, so... the next time I make one I'll photograph a cut-away view and place that slice photo in addition to what's there. - Marc Averette 16:57, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] POV

Hi. I've tagged this article as POV, because there are a couple of bits that read like someone's point of view. Specifically:

"To the dismay of aficionados, ..." "Alas, many popular chain restaurants that have "Key lime pie" on their menus are not serving authentic Key lime pie to their patrons."

Not sure whether this is quite the right tag, but hopefully someone who knows the subject will be able to clean up the POVness.

Thanks. Jamse 10:06, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, as someone born & raised in Key west, not many know better than I do about it. Ask any professional dessert chef, they'll tell you about the green/yellow issue. A green or white Key lime pie without a meringue topping is about as authentic as a purple strawberry flavored Big Mac. If you want a source I have a Conch cookbook as well as old postcards that have the recipe on it. I can 100% assure you that the pie made from following these recipes will not be green or have a cool-whip topping. - Marc Averette 00:40, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I probably wasn't clear - I'm not disputing the facts over what the traditional colour / topping is - I'm from the UK and have never enjoyed one of these tastey-sounding treats! No, the issue I was raising was that the stuff about whether it dismays afficionados, and the use of the word "alas" sounds like it's not encyclopaedic / factual. If you said words to the effect of "the traditional way of making it is this, but some modern mass produced versions change the colour and substitute X topping for Y topping" then that would be a more neutral way of putting it. If you want to include info about whether the mass-produced version is disappointing to those who know the traditional version then I would expect to see some supporting info. Thanks. Jamse 09:45, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Nothing against you, but the reason I'm on this page is because it sounded like a Key Lime Pie Fetishist wrote this. In neutral terms, that means I agree with Jamse and may attempt some small edits. AKismet 22:09, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Contradiction

The article contradicts itself over whether the pie should be meringue-topped or not. Is there really a definitive answer to this? I know whenever I make key lime pie I never put a topping on it, but it looks like most people do (from this article, anyway) Paul E Nolan 22:46, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

You've never made key lime pie. Key lime pie has meringue. - Marc Averette 20:59, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

That's a point of view. There's some evidence that key lime pie originated as a no-bake pie, which inherently precludes the addition of meringue. I am not asserting that key lime pie should or should not have meringue, nor do I have an opinion on which is the most common or most traditional method of preparation. But the claim that meringue is "original" or "authentic" is not NPOV and should be placed in context in this article. See, for example, the AP wire-service story quoting a Monroe County historian on this topic: http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2005/Oct/26/il/FP510260314.html 24.7.127.106 20:40, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Marc, it is time for you to accept that there is no "one true key lime pie" and stop pushing your point of view on this article. "The way KLPs were made a long time ago" is useful information for providing the history of the pie. It is not useful for pushing away variations on the recipe that have developed naturally through the years.

Think about what you're doing. It's akin to deleting edits saying that a hamburger can be served with cheese, simply because you've got one rotten old book and an unexplained agenda. —ptk✰fgs 21:57, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] NPOV

This article should describe the standard Key Lime pie, not make judgements about variant pies. They need not even be discussed.

• Yes, an authentic key lime pie's filling has a pale yellow color. No, it is not necessary to identify filling colors that are not authentic -- not only is a green pie inauthentic, but so is an orange pie or a black pie. Just say that it's pale yellow, and leave it at that!
• Yes, an authentic key lime pie has a topping made from traditional meringue. No, it's not necessary to describe the topping on a commercial pie as "some other form of topping".
• No, a pie using a variation of the recipe is not a "fake variety". It's just a variant recipe, and we need not concern ourselves with it here.
• Please do not place photo credits inside the article. Standard practice is to leave them only on the image description page. —ptk✰fgs 00:50, 17 April 2007 (UTC)