Talk:Kenneth Koch

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There was a Simpsons episode in which Grampa Simpson recalls his fighter pilot brother's feud with Santa Claus....

I wonder if this is Koch influenced.

-Way, way too many quotations of his work, and uncited comments that he was a master. This article reads like glowing praise, not an objective biography.

I've had no hand in the article, but it's pretty unquestioned these days that he was a master. The label of "major poet" is contentious, but Koch was probably one. The tone of this article is too personal, but the problem isn't so much in the conclusions it reaches as the AA Alvarez sort of "I remember well" vibe that it exudes. It reads more like Donald Hall than Yvor Winters. (Citations are not needed for facts found in three or more general and authoritative sources (e.g. Ohm's Law doesn't need a citation), but the first person narrative of the article is obviously off.) Geogre 03:22, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Agreed! The mind-numbing retrospective of Koch's work is a gratuitous, at best, testament to the lack of objectivity to this article. I'll not hide my less than favourable disposition towards Koch, but I could see poor Karen Culler even wincing at the mere number of times "Master" was used. Undoubtedly, the poet has played a significant historical role and influenced subsequent works accordingly, but Wikipedia is certainly not the forum to have such a critique (nauseating lionization) of his work, leave that to further explorations into the bibliography by so ambitious scholars. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Desire in ruins (talk • contribs) 00:17, 23 September 2007 (UTC)