Talk:Kennesaw, Georgia

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To whom It may concern: What happen with the pre-european or pre-colombian history of Kennesaw without it this is not complete. In Spanish american regions the history is explained relating the available information of all the different Ethnical groups, tribes, nations or World powers that inhabited the area of the Article. Relating the history only giving facts of the European ocupation pictures the begining of the civilization as it started with the arrival of the europeans which is unaccurate and incomplete. Martin R. Rodriguez

Wasn't the mandatory firearm law in retort to a NJ city/county that banned firearms? -CasualSax

No. It was a town in Illinois that sparked, as we in Kennesaw like to call it, "The Law Heard 'round the World." I believe it was Oak Grove (or Park), IL.

Morton Grove, IL was the first, in 1981, and according to the Kennesaw Historical Society, was the trigger for Kennesaw's law. Oak Park, another Chicago suburb, passed its handgun ban in 1984 (following Evanston, in 1982). will.jennings 01:07, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

The rest of the country makes fun of y'all for passing such a law, the rest of North Georgia makes fun of y'all for needing it in the first place. :P

~Firestorm from Pickens County.170.215.105.210 07:09, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

The rest of the country thinks the law is pretty cool and yes, Kennesaw is a nice place to live. Everytime I hear Pickens County in the news, I automatically think hicktown so unfounded bias can go both ways can't it?

~Firehurricane from Cobb County. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.245.244.2 (talk) 17:56, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Isn't it rather simple to post the statistics in the article and say truthfully, whether or not the crime rate decreased after the gun law was put in effect? I don't understand why this has to be ambiguous. 208.59.130.243 19:47, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree. The stats should be settled one way or the other. Brian Pearson 01:41, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. So, if anyone can find them... Mordac 17:08, 26 April 2007 (GMT)

Here is a link to the relevant FBI crime statistics page. http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_08_ga.html

I'm not a statistician, so I can't parse the data, but from a quick search and scroll for Kennesaw the crime rate looks low relative to towns of about the same size.

I agree completely. As it stands now, the article makes it seem as though no one is sure whether crime rates have fallen or not, but everything I can find indicates that they have definitely fallen. I'm going to add some links to that effect. Bigpeteb 14:48, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Latest edits not justified

I'm thinking of reverting the latest set of edits, which removed material citing criminologists who claim there was an increase in Kennesaw's burglary rate. Granted, I think those people are distorting the facts, and all evidence I've found shows that the crime rate is significantly lower, but that's my opinion. The facts are that qualified people haven't agreed on whether the crime rate has dropped, so I think all WP can do is present what experts say in both directions, and then provide facts for the reader to figure it out for themselves. That's the most NPOV way to handle things.

Unless someone can make a convincing counter-argument, I'm going to revert these edits soon. Bigpeteb 17:54, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and the edit about Kennesaw not having a homicide since 1986 is just plain incorrect. That's coming out right now... Bigpeteb 18:35, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Legacy Park entry unfounded.

I believe the entry under the heading of Legacy Park is a corporate plug; Legacy Park is a HOA run community, and has plugged in the Kennesaw article, not only in the wrong section, but with un-cited and opinionated information as well. I believe this section should be removed altogether. Ecstasis 04:32, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I'm deleting this

Read this paragraph:

Gary Kleck, a criminologist and gun-control critic attributes a drop of 89% in the residential burglary rate to the law.[1] Kennesaw is often cited by advocates of gun ownership as evidence that gun ownership deters crime. (see, for instance, this 2004 sheet of talking points from the Gun Owners Foundation). This is obviously highly biased and "cherrypicked" data. Gun Control Critics, of course, do not take into fact you are 43 times more likely to shoot a family member than a criminal, and do not include any data on family gun violence, the majority of the gun violence that occurs. All their data is based on rare violent crimes against individuals from complete strangers. Studies show that kids, even those taught not to touch a gun, cannot resist picking up a gun when they find it and emulating the play they do with toy guns. A preschooler is 17 times more likely to die from an accidental gun wound in a state like Georgia, than in a state that controls their guns. The majority, if not 100%, come from guns in their home or a friend's home.

"obviously", "you are 43 times more likely" "studies show that kids" "a state like Georgia".

Encyclopedias are boring and factual, that's the sad truth. You can't go on the Hitler page and say "antisemetism is bad" in 10 different ways because it doesn't cite any outside work and it isn't relevant to the facts of who Hitler was.

If you're ideology is the correct one then the truth should be good enough...document the truths of your ideology with data and put it in a wikipedia article clearly meant to address the facts of gun law efficacy.--Gtg207u 05:28, 2 November 2007 (UTC)