Talk:Kay Francis
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--EugeneO 16:53, 22 June 2006 (UTC)== Lesbian Category ==
I have removed Kay Francis from the list of lesbian actors. When it comes to old Hollywood, there are many, many actors and actresses whose sexuality is rather murky. Not all of these rumours are necessarily true, and I have found little corroborating evidence for Kay Francis beyond the notoriously unreliable Boze Hadleigh. A biography of Kay was published recently under the title "I Can't Wait to be Forgotten," and it makes no mention of lesbian activity, although it does refer to many torrid affairs with men. Kay may have "experimented" in the modern 'College' sense during the 1920s, I have no idea, but including Kay on this list would mean adding others of only "rumoured" status, which covers pretty much everybody who's ever been in a movie. If anyone feels compelled to add her again, please post your sources accordingly, as "Marjorie-Main-heard-a-rumour-she-told-Boze-Hadleigh" is rather dubious.
Looking over the "Lesbian Actresses" as a whole is a rather strange passtime, as many noteworthy actresses are apparently absent (to be found under "bisexual actresses"). This makes the entire business of sorting out which actress goes under which category (if they go under any at all). Stanwyck, for example, is under "lesbian" probably more because she was a gay icon, despite the fact that Hadleigh's report on her is suspect, with only her heterosexuality provable (she reportedly was very much in love with Robert Taylor and extremely heartbroken when he cheated on her). Garbo, however, is listed under "bisexual" despite the fact that she was almost exclusively lesbian.
I realize now that I'm in way over my head. Someone, somewhere, should come up with a standard of determining what merits inclusion into which category, because otherwise, the whole thing's just a mess. Wencer 03:45, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
...Just part of a general "de-Hadleighing" that's going on in entries across the site -- his "works" formed the basis of a startling number of actress/performer entries, and it's nice to see them get tidied up. Thanks! Robertissimo 04:01, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
Someone added her to the bisexual category again, without sourcing, so I'm taking it out again. Perhaps Wikipedia could do something akin to NNDB and make an option for people of "disputed sexual orientation?" Wencer 06:13, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
The "Kay Francis - I Can't Wait to be Forgotten" book does mention that Kay confessed to her fourth husband (actor Kenneth MacKenna)of having slept with three women. She was 26 at the time. In May, 1934 she and Maurice Chevalier discussed the possibility of a "threesome" with another woman, but Kay found the idea "impracticle". One could certainly say that Kay Francis was "bi-curious", although her focus was primarily on men. From reading this book, I suspect that Kay herself would be comfortable with referring to herself as bi-sexual.
[edit] Year of birth
All three of the sources we use say she was born 13 January 1899, yet the article says she was born 13 January 1905. Apparently her parents didn't marry till 1903, but there have always been plenty of born-out-of-wedlock celebrities in Hollywood. I'm changing the birth year. -- JackofOz (talk) 03:28, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
She can be found on the 1910 Census as being 5 years old on Ancestry.com:
You have saved this record to My Ancestry (Shoebox). You have saved this record to My Ancestry (People I'm Looking For). This record has been added to your shoebox. 1910 United States Federal Census about Katherine E Gibbs Name: Katherine E Gibbs Age in 1910: 5 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1905 Birthplace: Oklahoma Relation to Head of House: Student Home in 1910: Fort Lee, Bergen, New Jersey Marital Status: Single Race: White Gender: Female
Stutzey```` —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stutzey (talk • contribs) 13:12, 31 March 2008 (UTC) Also, from Ancestry.com are some of the passenger lists of her trips overseas:
You have saved this record to My Ancestry (Shoebox). You have saved this record to My Ancestry (People I'm Looking For). This record has been added to your shoebox. New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Kay Francis Name: Kay Francis Arrival Date: 20 Jun 1935 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1905 Age: 30 Gender: Female Port of Departure: Southampton, England Ship Name: Normandie Search Ship Database: View the Normandie in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Port of Arrival: New York, New York Nativity: Oklahoma Line: 30 Microfilm Serial: T715 Microfilm Roll: T715_5659 Birth Location: Oklahoma Birth Location Other: Oklahoma City Page Number: 83 Port Arrival State: New York Port Arrival Country: United States —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stutzey (talk • contribs) 13:20, 31 March 2008 (UTC) (Stutzey (talk) 13:23, 31 March 2008 (UTC))stutzey````
