User talk:Kathryn NicDhàna/Archive 4

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Archive 4: Other things that happened from July 2006 - October 2006

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Sheela na gig

Just wanted to let you know that I appreciate your contributions to the Sheela-na-gig page... just discovered them last year in Ireland myself, and being very excited about them, I feel strongly about the maintenance of a thorough and accurate representation on wikipedia. So thanks! -Fennel 06:18, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

And thanks for your good work on the article, as well! --Kathryn NicDhàna 05:59, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Template:UU Youth Program

Hi Kathryn, I don't quite agree with the placement of the CUUPs link on the UU Youth & Young Adult programming. This template was designed with specifically youth & young adult organizations in mind, and CUUPs is not specific to either of those two groupings of people. Perhaps a larger template should be created, out of List of Unitarian Universalist Associate Member organizations, and/or List of Unitarian Universalist Independent Affiliate organizations. CUUPs, from what I know, falls into the latter category, and is indeed on that list. HellaNorCal 01:06, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I can see the rationale, if we're just talking about groups that are focused on UU Youth or UU Young Adults. But, in my experience, UU Youth are also interested in CUUPS and other Pagan groups, and the "UU" Young Adult group members of my acquaintance were not always strictly UU, either. If that makes sense. I also realize that the changes that my generation fought so hard against have resulted in you and I operating in somewhat different paradigms when it comes to things UU, and that a great deal has changed since I was active in the UUA. --Kathryn NicDhàna 05:59, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Les boites sont pour tout-e-s !

Hi Kathryn; take all the boites you want! image:smile.png Actually, the only ones I designed are the CR and Indian food ones. (User box templates have been so controversial that somebody came along and hit {{subst:User box}} for all of them, so that they no longer link to the original template. I guess it was feared at first that the Wikipedia servers would be overwhelmed by the number of user boxes. Personally I quite like them.) Anyway, I'm pleased to hear from you, because I know you somewhat by reputation, and I like what I've seen of your stuff – the CR FAQ and various WP contributions, mainly. I've been on a campaign to purge Wikipedia of unsourced nonsense in the field of Celtic religion (e.g. two articles stated positively that Toutatis is a "mock god" because he got mentioned in Astérix – I nearly cried). Anyhoo, stay strong; keep it real! QuartierLatin1968 El bien mas preciado es la libertad 16:51, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Merci beaucoup pour votre gentil mot. Et, encore, pour votre boîtes; elles sont très amusantes. d'Accord, parce-ce que mon français est affreux... en anglais: While I can understand not overdoing it on les boîtes, I think a tasteful few are not out of line :-) I have also noticed your WP contributions, and seen you fighting the good fight, so am glad to hear from you! I share your mission in cleaning up the psuedo-Celtic messes on WP, and staying vigilant against the nonsense that keeps creeping in. A recent concern of mine is the link almost-spam: people trying to use the Celtic WP entries as a place for posting links to their Wiccan articles or similar nonsense. What is such a time drain about these is that sometimes a linked article that is not obviously Wiccan will seem ok at a skim, but once read thoroughly will turn out to contain all sorts of misinformation in among the good bits. It's a drag having to read through those, but I've realized that if something looks like a possibly-ok link, one of us has to read the whole thing or the crap creeps back in. I'm trying to keep a higher standard for what is considered link-worthy. We just had someone put a comic book as a *source* on the Morrígan page [sobs, aussi]. Though I think they eventually figured out that was a mistake and moved it to a pop-culture section.
I'm honored that you like the FAQ. I'm currently a bit crispy from trying to finish up the book version. We decided to do a glossary and a few additional bits, and it's taking far longer than planned. [grinding my rusty brain gears yet again:] Tapadh leibh a-rithist! --Kathryn NicDhàna 02:50, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
ps - Good responses to the celtoskeptic over on Modern Celts. I wanted to seem reasonable, but it's definitely a POV-push. Reverts are in order. YAR!!! ;-)
Hahaha! You omitted to mention you were a pirate. Now, to be fair to Enzedbrit – I've crossed swords (cutlasses?) with him once or twice before, and though his point of view is original, it's not altogether unreasonable. To paraphrase wildly, he sees Cumbria as living proof that England is as Celtic as anyplace else, and as a result, why should this whole 'Celtic' thing be used for England-bashing or advancing nationalist causes or anything else. I'm not really troubled by that POV, just by the way he sometimes (by no means always) expresses it. And let me offer a word of friendly caution: You might want to be careful to avoid comments that could be taken as ad hominems; even if a user's motivations are (shall we say) eccentric, she can still contribute something useful to the finished product. Assume good faith, and usually everybody's Wiki-life is happier.
Myself, I haven't been too concerned with external links. If somebody puts a link to their website giving a lengthy Wiccan interpretation of the Morrígan, I'm not bothered – to me it just means we should add a link to some real scholarship, translations of the original texts, or whatever. True, people do take advantage of Wikipedia to increase their Google hit count – and I strongly resent that when the intention is commercial. Maybe I should look over the WP guidelines on external links, though; I actually have no idea what the criteria of admissibility are supposed to be.
I didn't realize the FAQ was going to become a book! Congratulations; it really is a monumental work.
I've been doing a lot of thinking lately about interpretatio romana and its theological implications. I wonder what you'd think of this essay on the subject... The author (who's an academic but not a polytheist) has an interesting take on the idea of 'translating' gods across cultures – interpreting them as now the same god in a different guise, now a different god, now a god who's separate but only in certain respects, according to the case... I wonder what your reaction would be.
Any-old-how, take her easy! QuartierLatin1968 El bien mas preciado es la libertad 19:59, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
I am confused. You thought my comments in the Modern Celts discussion were ad hominem? --Kathryn NicDhàna 05:38, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Oh, good lord. I really owe you an apology; I must have somehow thought that Siarach's comments were yours. Not that what he said was properly ad hominem either, just verging on iffy territory. Still, I feel quite appalled to have even made such a comment without being 100% sure of my facts – I am most awfully sorry. I must stop doing Wikipedia while multi-tasking eight other things – my poor wee brain can't handle the confusion. QuartierLatin1968 El bien mas preciado es la libertad 03:52, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Well, that's a relief. Apology accepted. Though, if one is to be confused with anyone else, I am honored to be confused with An Siarach. I am concerned about Enzedbrit's behaviour, though. I checked his contributions and he is going through other articles deleting references to the Celtic diaspora. And breaking the three-revert rule. --Kathryn NicDhàna 05:09, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

I hope you don't mind, but I swiped the code for one of your userboxes for my own page. I'm Wiccan, not C-R, but do in fact swear by the Gods by whom my people swear.
And after looking at your page, I have more things in which to rummage around and learn stuff...
Septegram 21:31, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Fulacht fiadh

I'm keen to add an image to this article, there are quite a few near by to where I grew up, but I won't be back there for a few weeks. I found this on my camera, a random shot taken last August, but can't figure out if its the remains of a ring fort, or a large example of a Fulacht fiadh.

BYW, if you could expand on the 'Etymology' section of the article, that would be great. - Coil00 20:36, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree on adding some images. One of the reason I included some of the links I did is that, even if they don't add anything content-wise, they do have some good pictures. Hard to tell about the remains on your picture without more details. What's the scale and the location? (We need sheep *in* the site ;-)). Do you know if anyone else has logged it anywhere? I'll give a look at the etymology when I get a chance. --Kathryn NicDhàna 21:02, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
OK thanks, I'll add a few pic, but in a few weeks. I take your comment re sheep / scale. It's sometimes hard not to run over the buggers, they DO tend to hang around Megalithic monuments, bless 'em - Coil00 23:12, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Durrus and District History

Hi, i did an article very long and needs editing on durrus and district, you might be interested in the list of Irish words in use in the 1930s 213.79.43.134 14:32, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Adding it to the list. --Kathryn NicDhàna 00:25, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Clootie wells and Holy Wells

Clootie well seems very like Irish Holy wells or old churches where people leave rags money maybe an article re same ? Durrus 17:37, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, they're largely the same thing. If you check out the links and sources on Clootie well you'll see a number of them are Irish. I've pondered whether we also need a more general Holy wells article. There is so much overlap that right now the two would read largely the same. Perhaps we should make Holy well a redirect to Clootie well, unless and until someone wants to put together an article that also covers holy wells that are significantly different from Clootie wells. The topic also overlaps with Well dressing. --Kathryn NicDhàna 20:33, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

A tardy thank you

I want to thank you for all the work you did in cleaning up and adding references to Celtic Wicca. It's quite late for such appreciation (you did the work at the end of September), but better late than never. Justin Eiler 04:48, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, Justin! And thank you for your polite but firm response to the latest complaints on the talk page. You handed it more diplomatically than I would have been able. I know it's hard for people to understand that what they were taught is wrong, often because those who taught them believe it so sincerely. I just hope with time, and the actual reading of the sources we cite, that they will be able to look at the subject with a more open mind. Tapadh Leibh! --Kathryn NicDhàna 20:47, 17 October 2006 (UTC)


Notes to Myself

Moved to User:KathrynNicDhàna/Notes to Myself and User:KathrynNicDhàna/Clan MacEwan.

Sigh

You said: "This user basically supports the legalization of same sex marriage. Except for her exes, dammit."

I know I'm fundamentally a stranger to you, but if you need a sympathetic ear, I have two available. Justin Eiler 02:33, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, you are very kind. I'm ok, just a bit stressed and overwhelmed today. I was making a joke. Mostly. ;-) --Kathryn NicDhàna 07:13, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
I can see the therapeutic value in humor. :) May it be well with you. Justin Eiler 03:45, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

"More Irish than the ..."

Hi Kathryn. I've left a message in the talk page for "More Irish than the Irish themselves" (Talk:More_Irish_than_the_Irish_themselves) about my removal of the "modern usage" section. Le meas, Sony-youth 11:23, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

template talk:Celtic mythology

Hi there. I did see your talk page comment, but I didn't feel as though I had anything thoughtful to say at the time. However, an idea occurred to me tonight which might make everything perfect ... or else confuse the situation and end up exasperating everybody! In any event, must go to sleep (I've just moved from Chicago to Istanbul, and have somehow ended up on Greenland time!). Q·L·1968 ☿ 00:50, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

"Istanbul, not Con-stan-tinople..." Hope you've landed safely. Samhainn mhath dhut! --Kathryn NicDhàna 05:22, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Clan MacEwan

Hey there, I saw your notes at Clan MacEwan. My somewhat-educated opinion would say that Ewan is the anglicised version of (something like Eoghain, I'm not sure), and Son of Ewan would be MacEoghain; so Clan MacEwan, just like Kathryn NicDhàna. Sometime, you should convince me of the virtues of Celtic reconstructionist Paganism. Yes, yes you should. : )Image:Icons-flag-scotland.png Canæn Image:Icons-flag-scotland.png 01:20, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Fàilte to my talk page, a Chanæn! Yes, the generally agreed upon Gaelic version is/was Eoghainn, at least in the research I've seen. I would of course prefer to put the page under Clann Eoghainn, but being this is English Wikipedia that would probably not go well for me. I'd wind up trying to round up the usual suspects to help me fight the redirect, only to fail in a blaze of Gaelic Wiki-Drama. Oh well, maybe when my Gàidhlig is better I can do a translation over at the Gaelic Wiki. So, yes, it does seem that we will probably have to go with Clan MacEwan or similar.
Let's see, the virtues of CR... Well, you get to belong to an obscure religion no one has heard of, and that is quite glamorous. People will assume you mean Historical reenactment because, likely, they've never heard the phrase Polytheistic reconstructionism before. They will of course ask you if it's like those guys in Braveheart, but they will mean well. You're likely get more approval from your parents than if you become, oh, a Wiccan or Hare Krishna or something like that. Actually, your parents and grandparents may be able to help you by remembering folklore and folk practices no one else observes anymore ("Grandad, are you sure setting your hair on fire is part of the ritual?"). You get to spend a lot of time debating theories with other Celic Studies geeks, and inflicting bizarre ritual experiments on your hapless friends ("Really! I'm sure this is the way it was done! My Granfather showed me!"). Most hippie Pagans will think you are really too into all those moldy books, and get mad at you if you tell them Wicca isn't actually Celtic. Then they will ask why would you want to learn to say or read stuff in a Gaelic language anyway. Your mood will vary widely. It's a lucrative gig, I tell ya... *snerk* --Kathryn NicDhàna 04:44, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you so much for the Barnstar. After a day of 5% editing and 95% anti-vandal patrol, it's good to know that the efforts don't go unappreciated. :) Justin Eiler 21:56, 30 October 2006 (UTC)