Talk:Kölsch language

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People are trying to build a Kölsch - or Ripuarish - Wikipedia. If you can speak or understand Kölsch, please help! The discussion is here. Dbach 12:58, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

A Kölsch Wiki has been founded externally. Plz don't use the page mentioned above anymore. Dbach 14:53, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Please support the Ripuarian/Kölsch Wikipedia on Metawiki. Thank You! -- Purodha Blissenbach 04:45, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

I've moved the article from 'dialect' to 'language'. This is because the former term is subjective. Although it's common to think that dialects are somehow subsidiary to languages this is not the case. See the article on dialect for more information. --Gareth Hughes 18:44, 24 November 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Warning: Amateurish level

A warning to all readers: this article on the Cologne dialect or language, although not containing any outright untruths, is seriously lacking in quality and accuracy. I am not an expert on this particular dialect but as a Germanic philologist I know enough about German dialectology to see that this article needs serious reworking. What this article needs is:

  • more accurate terminology
  • more scientific/scholarly description
  • clearer organization.

Lufiend 01:45, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree; the part about intonation needs to be organsied and clarified, for one. I have tagged the article accordingly. There's much of value in the article but also much more needing to be done. Nach0king 11:10, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
I agree; Wschroedter kindly pointed me here on my talk page. I am a native Kölsch speaker, co-author of the German Wikipedia article on Kölsch (suggested reading), part-educated a linguist, author and admin of the Wikipedia of Ripuarian languages which has many Articles in the Kölsch language, so I should be able to help enhance this article. My biggest problem is lack of time. The second most one is structural or organisational, concering the subject matter. Much can be said about Kölsch, that in fact applies to all Ripuarian, or even several more in the Continental West Middle Germanic language group, plus some of the adjacent Lower Franconian languages. Giving complex information a good structure, avoiding duplication, is one of the aims I have in mind. Unfortunately, I know no sources in Englich language :-(
As time permits, I shall likely translate some sections or chapters of the German article sooner or later. But, basically anyone can do that! I for one am happy if I don't have to :-) --Purodha Blissenbach (talk) 21:45, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
If we follow the suggestion of initiating a Wikiproject I'd suggest devoting it to the subject matter of "Rhineland Languages" or similar. Be warned: According to linguist Georg Cornelissen, an expert on this field, and author of numerous books, there are published dictionaries of about 150 of those languages alone. Of course, there are non-dictionaries, too, and only a fraction of the existing languages have been documented at all. Kölsch is only a prominent language among the Rhineland ones. --Purodha Blissenbach (talk) 22:17, 12 December 2007 (UTC)