Talk:June 30

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June 30: Independence Day in the Democratic Republic of the Congo (1960) 1864 – U.S. National Parks: U.S. President Abraham Lincoln granted Yosemite Valley and the Mariposa Grove of Giant Sequoias to California for "public use, resort, and recreation". 1894 – London's Tower Bridge, a combined bascule and suspension bridge, opened. 1905 – Albert Einstein (pictured) published the article "On the Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies" and introduced the theory of special relativity. 1908 – The Tunguska impact event occurred in Siberia, felling an estimated 80 million trees. 1971 – The Soyuz 11 spacecraft depressurised during reentry, killing cosmonauts Vladislav Volkov, Georgiy Dobrovolskiy and Viktor Patsayev. 1997 – During an internationally televised ceremony at 16:00 UTC (00:00, July 1 HKT), the United Kingdom officially transferred sovereignty of Hong Kong to the People's Republic of China. More events: June 29 – June 30 – July 1 Archive – By email – More anniversaries... It is now 15:24, June 14, 2008 (UTC) – Refresh this page

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Contents 1 Self Reference 2 "Potrugese natoinal flag official" 3 Harry Potter book 4 Packaging engineer

[edit] Self Reference

While it is true that we generally avoid self-references, I checked with the admin responsible for the change, and he explained the logic in this case:

• First the newest software version automatically changes a self reference to bold, so users won't end up reloading the same page needlessly.
• Second, the standard is to bold the article's name where it appears in the first sentence, so this bolding fits well.
• Third, and most interesting, by identifying the date as a link, each user will see the date reference as per the date preferences he or she set on her preference page. This gives the article a much more international appeal. Rklawton 04:44, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Potrugese natoinal flag official"

What is meant by "Potrugese natoinal flag official?" it is neither a bullet point, a link - or makes all that much sense. - FortOyer

[edit] Harry Potter book

I'd like to begin a discussion on the global notability of the publishing of the First Harry Potter Book. I have no strong feeling either way but, as always, I am concerned about a precedent being set for the inclusion of a book publishing date - which in and of itself is not notable. I understand that great debate took place for the inclusion of the latest Harry Potter book on July 20. The consensus was that the newest book set worldwide records and therefore it was globally notable (and will remain so only until the record is broken). The question in this case is what makes the publishing of this particular book and the date that it was published globally notable? Is it notable only because it was the first in a series which culminated with great fanfare? These types of entries usually get added by fanatics of the subject as a knee-jerk and I'd like to see that some thought has gone into the entry's inclusion. The perfect defender of the global notability of this entry would be someone who has never read any of the books and has no interest in the subject. Global notability would transcend that bias. If it is decided that this entry is globally notable, does it mean that all of the publishing dates of all of the Harry Potter books should be included? What about all of the Dr. Seuss books, for example? -- Mufka ^{(u) (t) (c)} 18:47, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

You've got some good points there, and I agree with most of them. As to the last two points, none of Dr. Seuss's books were nearly as popular as Harry Potter, and the first book was the first book, even if it was only the beginning and the date somewhat only a date. My opinion isn't really stong either, but if someone wanted to know what happened on their birthday, that would be a great thing to list, and it is known world-wide. Reviewing your contributions, I agree with many of your removals (every world series, every Pope, etc.), but many of them are quite huge cultural phenomenons (TV shows, comics, etc.), even if they origianted in America. I know you are conforming to the guidelines a few Wikiproject members wrote, but a lot of your edits take it too far. My opinion is only an opinion, but an event should be included if it would be of great interest to someone wanting to know the events on his birthday. Not everything must apply to everyone and be "globally notable". Very few people listed are globally notable. We shan't make this an arguement, but I believe many entries you have deleted should come back. Reywas92^Talk 01:38, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

I certainly welcome criticism and I hope that more editors will get involved in the project; especially those who disagree with existing consensus and those who want to help make the guidelines more black and white. I like rules and guidelines. The more cut and dry they are, the better. -- Mufka ^{(u) (t) (c)} 02:15, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Packaging engineer

Other than the contributions by 64.115.225.36, I can find no references to the "famous packaging engineer" Richard Henderson on Wikipedia or Google. I'm removing this reference. Skinrider (talk) 19:27, 21 March 2008 (UTC)