Talk:Julio-Claudian family tree
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There are two Agrippinas shown; are they the same? Also, there are two Tiberius Claudius Nero. What is the meaning of the broken lines? AxelBoldt 20:36 Dec 8, 2002 (UTC)
- Agrippina the younger was the daughter of Agrippina the elder. The elder Tiberius Claudius Nero was the emperor Tiberius; his nephew was the emperor Claudius. I see you haven't complained about the four women named Julia Caesaris! See Wikipedia:Naming conventions (ancient Romans) for a discussion of this problem. Gdr 18:19, 2004 May 17 (UTC)
How about an Ahnenreihe ? Hotlorp
I'm not sure is this family tree is understandable, does anyone has a better one to substitute it? Muriel Gottrop
I just substituted the image. I think it's more clear. But it's huge, I know... Muriel Gottrop
- I've substituted a somewhat less huge version of the image. (Is that all right? I should probably have asked first...) -- Paul A
Looks good! I did not knew about the png buisiness... MG
Several things are wrong with or missing from the tree as it now stands. Antony and Octavia had two daughters. The elder Antonia, not shown on the tree, was the mother of Gnaeus Domitius Ahenobarbus, who married Agrippina the Younger. Their son was adopted by Claudius and became known as Nero. Claudius died in 54, not 51, so Nero became emperor in 54, not 51. Plinyfan
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[edit] Nero's name
Was the name of the emperor Nero "Tiberius Claudius Nero" after his adoption? I have not encountered him being called "Tiberius Claudius" in any text; can someone please provide a reference? Lucius Domitius 04:48, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Caesarion?
Not that this already complex tree needs any further complication, but it might be worthwile to add Caesarion, Julius Caesar's son by Cleopatra VII of Egypt -- surely a relevant figure who is part of this extended family. --Jfruh 17:45, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Really his name was Ptholomeus Caesar , but was better known as Caesarion. He was killed soon after the defeat of Maurcus Antonius and Cleopatra by his step brother Octavianus (in fact Octavianus himself was adopted as son by Iulius Caesar himself).
M. VALERIVS LONGINVS BRITANNICVS —Preceding unsigned comment added by M. Valerius Longinus Britannicus (talk • contribs) 11:51, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Error under Nero
He came to power in AD 54, not AD 51 as the family tree indicates. Corax 05:14, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Missing relations?
Wasn't Vipsania a daughter of Agrippa? 18.252.6.246 13:27, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
- And I think Claudius Marcellus (Augustus' first son-in-law) was the daughter of Octavia (Augustus' sister) and her first husband.
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- The question is how to actually fit that connection in without completely muddling that bit. — Laura Scudder ☎ 00:14, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Change to Template:Familytree
If there are no objections I would like make a tree with Template:Familytree so that we can add links and edit it more easily. I am working on a version in my sandbox before I load it here. —David618 t 03:30, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
- I transfered what I have to Talk:Julio-Claudian family tree/Update. —David618 t 22:27, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
- I've started working on it, moved it to the Talk namespace. Dylan Lake 23:16, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
- OK, Done. Putting it on the article. Dylan Lake 03:00, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
- The main problem with the tree is that it doesn't consistently use space semantically: antecedents should be above, descendants should be below. Once you've done that, there's no need to use dashed lines for marriage: it's obvious that people from the same generation cannot parent each other. Remember: it's okay to make readers scroll around to examine a complex tree (I would drop the font size too). Vagary 02:49, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
- Generally yes, but it has happened, in Rome, that people of the same generation have adopted each other. Also, how to indicate multiple spouses without creating a jumble? BroMonque 20:44, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
- The main problem with the tree is that it doesn't consistently use space semantically: antecedents should be above, descendants should be below. Once you've done that, there's no need to use dashed lines for marriage: it's obvious that people from the same generation cannot parent each other. Remember: it's okay to make readers scroll around to examine a complex tree (I would drop the font size too). Vagary 02:49, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
Should Antonia Elder be added as she was an ancestor of Nero?--Hjjcbvhbvh (talk) 23:53, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
