Talk:Judith (poem)

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[edit] Question

Why is this separate from Judith? Wetman 00:04, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Merge

This section is for discussing the merger of this article and Judith (homily).

I thought it was better that (poem) be the main article title, because we generally call it "Old English poetry" which is more commonly known than the more specialized term homily. -- Stbalbach 12:14, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

This is not a duplicate article: the poem and the homily are two different works that merely happen to draw on the same source. I am adding "see also" links to make that more clear. — Haeleth Talk 10:38, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Ok I didn't realize there were two. I've updated Anglo-Saxon literature to read:

The Nowell Codex contains a Biblical paraphrase (homily), which appears right after Beowulf, called Judith, a retelling of the story of Judith. This is not to be confused with the Anglo-Saxon poem Judith, which retells the same Biblical story as a poem.

I'm pretty sure the Homily is in the Nowell Codex - not sure where the poem is from. -- Stbalbach 14:55, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

You're the wrong way round, I'm afraid - the poem's in the Nowell Codex, while the homily appears in two MSS, the more complete version in CCCC MS 303 and a fragment in BL MS Cotton Otho B.x. (I'll add those details to the homily article in a moment.)

Confusing, isn't it? — Haeleth Talk 12:47, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes confusing. My source Dictionary of the Middle Ages has judith across three different articles/volumes but they all seem to infer the Nowell Codex version which they call a "poetic paraphrase" (which I take to mean a hybrid prose and poem), no mention of the alliterative prose version. -- Stbalbach 13:45, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

"Paraphrase" probably makes reference to the fact that the poem takes some liberties with the original story; it is definitely purely poetry. Also, the link to the translation broken - while the linked page survives, that links to a redirect which goes to a new version of the page link to which has a broken link to the translation. That's confusing. --138.16.27.161 14:23, 9 April 2007 (UTC)