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[edit] comment by 217.78.228.9

i am fun of olympiacos. I know my team is intersting for Crocian player, i hope he come to my team because he will help to improve our image to champion league.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.78.228.9 (talk • contribs) 12:20, 15 February 2006

[edit] Australian stuff

On 12:28, 13 June 2006, User:211.28.139.22 wrote:

Josip "Joe" Šimunić ... is an Australian-born traitor who chose to be a Croatian football (soccer) player

This is a consequence of Australia national football team#Player drain by other countries :) Perhaps it should be explained in more detail here, too. --Joy [shallot] 17:45, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Given the extremely poor sportsmanship exhibited by this player in last night's game I say croatia can keep him. I don't want this fool representing my country. Jebus Kriste 09:24, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not the place to communicate general thoughts about topics, please restrict your comments to the content of the encyclopedia articles. --Joy [shallot]

Joy, it is a statement of fact that following the game against Australia, he is the only man ever to accumulate three yellow cards in a match, therefore proving to be hishonest and unsporting. Paul

Disregarding the mere fact that this incident is recorded properly in the article...
The fact that he (almost) accumulated three yellow cards only goes to show that the referee made an error in judgement in that 90th minute of the game. If he had really wanted to remove Šimunić, he would have shown him the yellow card and then shown him the red card. The play would then stop until the ejected player left the pitch. Those are the FIFA rules, that's what happens normally, and that's what happened for the other two red-carded players in the same game even. Instead, Graham Poll apparently only reached for the yellow card, then changed his mind and let the play continue. It's not Šimunić's fault that he wasn't shown the red card - had he been shown the red card, and had he not complied at that point, that would have been illegal.
And besides, that was actually a minor error compared to the others Poll did during the game. The situations where Tomas played a (second!) hand ball in the penalty box, and when Kewell was off-side for the second goal, those were more important for the outcome of the game than the leniency towards Šimunić when it was practically all over anyway. --Joy [shallot] 16:19, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

User:Ansell wrote in the commit log: remove change to "showing" him the yellow card, find a reference to back it up

The reference is simply the game - I don't recall seeing Poll show him the yellow card, he just arrived at the site of the foul, took it out of his pocket, took out the pencil to start writing onto it, but then apparently changed his mind, and Šimunić just walked away and did not get shown neither the yellow or the red card. Does someone else recall differently? I could have remembered it wrongly, it was pretty late in the game. --Joy [shallot] 13:46, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
Also, to remind of the FIFA/UEFA rules (I heard this on TV from Croatian referees Mateo Beusan and Goran Marić as they comment on refereeing) - for the card to be effective, the referee needs to come to the player who caused the foul, stand reasonably close to him (but not too close), and show him the card with his hand raised (at ca 45 degrees) while the player is watching, so that they are perfectly aware. That's why we always say that they players are shown these cards. If a player is not actually shown the card, then it's a referee error. --Joy [shallot] 16:06, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
The showing of the card was, in my memory reasonably clear, I remember seeing the referee in front of the player with a yellow card up. I also remember Simunic walking towards the players box for a second before stopping and keeping on playing.
You are the only person that I have heard who actually said they thought he didn't show the second card. Even a FIFA official commented that it was the first time in World Cup history that an official had shown a player three yellow cards.
Yes, I've now seen the press conference where they state that he was booked (but only as #3, and confusion ensued, and whatnot). I guess I must have just missed the showing of the card in the TV transmission. --Joy [shallot] 15:08, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Putting my certainty, and the fact that others have not stated your opinion together with my belief in the "no original research" policy. I would ask you still to provide a reference for your view. I do not doubt the official rules, what I doubt is your memory of how the card was produced and shown. If it was that way some journalist would have commented on it. Ansell 04:49, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
The current description in the article is fine, then. --Joy [shallot] 15:08, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

I not confident with wiki programing to go and edit this into the wiki article but this is what happened according to Reuters, Sat Jun 24, 2006 12:18 PM BST http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=worldFootballNews&storyID=2006-06-24T111830Z_01_L24400509_RTRIDST_0_SPORT-SOCCER-WORLD-REFEREE.XML&pageNumber=1&imageid=&cap=&sz=13&WTModLoc=NewsArt-C1-ArticlePage1 From the Reuters article- "Poll met the committee on Friday and in the statement, FIFA say he explained that he wrote down the name of Australian defender Craig Moore when booking Simunic for the second time and failed to realise his error.

Both Moore and Simunic were wearing the No.3 shirt for their respective teams.


The statement continued: "The experienced official is disappointed at having committed the error, the first such mistake in his 26-year career.

"The FIFA referees committee also recognised the oversight and the fact that none of the match officials at the stadium picked up on the error."

Blatter had told reporters on Friday: "I cannot understand how the four people in the team refereeing the match, the referee, the assistants and the fourth official could have allowed this to happen. It is like they had a blackout."

Poll's linesmen were Philip Sharp and Glenn Turner of England while the fourth official was Kevin Stott of the United States." Paul

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.230.6.199 (talk • contribs) 12:51, 26 June 2006

How can he be a traitor? He is a Croat, born to Croatian parents in Australia.

If anyway is a traitor than that is is MARK VIDUKA. What an ass... He started his European football career with a Croatian team, lived in Croatia for 4 years, his wife is born and bread Croatian, his father is Croatian, his son is a 3/4 Croatian, he has a Villa in Croatia, goes to Croatia for holidays every year....and still he says: " I am Australian mate, through and through". I mean, what a hell? That's a TRAITOR!!!!!!

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.180.108.210 (talk • contribs) 11:49, 27 June 2006


[edit] 3 card trick

I presume Simunic speaks English with an Australian accent, which may have confused Poll into recording him as Australia's number 3 rather than Croatia's. 81.77.143.121 22:39, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Fascist songs"

In this change [1], Paulcicero, you've said in comment: "(rv, it´s not irrelevant that he enjoys fascist songs)".
This is a serious accusation.
Tell us, Paulcicero, when you're so big expert in fascism, what are the "fascist elements" in that song? Is fascism glorified in that song? Is Mussolini glorified in that song? Is Movimento sociale italiano in that song glorified? Or Nedić's Judenfrei Serbia from WW2? Or any neofascist party?
Tell us. Answer on this question. Don't play dumb.
Paulcicero, go deal with Serbia and Serbia's recent blasphemic act: rehabilitation of Chetnik movement, movement that collaborated with Hitler's and Mussolini's forces. Kubura 10:01, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

What song are you referring to? The article spoke about Thompson in general, are you denying that he has sung fascist songs? Paulcicero 16:54, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

No, Paulcicero.
Read what you've wrote in the comment [2]]: "rv, it's not irrelevant that he enjoys fascist songs".
Answer us, Paulcicero.
We're speaking about your edit on the article about Josip Šimunić. Don't play dumb.
What fascist songs Josip Šimunić enjoys?
Tell us!
We saw what you've wrote, now defend your words.
Give a proof for such heavy discrediting words. Otherwise, leave this topic and don't mess into things that you don't understand, don't speak about things that you don't know anything about, don't accuse and don't discredit living persons for such heavy things as fascism.
You're etiquetting people for such heavy things as if you're speaking about spilled milk.
Grow up. Kubura 08:29, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Kubura did you even read what i wrote in the article? Didn´t Josip say exactly what i wrote? Did i write that he enjoyed fascist songs? No i wrote that he criticized the croatian FA for not playing songs of known ustasa-supporter Thompson. Are you saying that that´s untrue? Paulcicero 13:48, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Paulcicero, you're playing dumb again.
You behave like you don't know what you've wrote. Here's again, to remind you [3], "(rv, it´s not irrelevant that he enjoys fascist songs)". Kubura 12:01, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

You are playing dumb kubura, this is the talk-page of the article NOT the history log. Paulcicero 21:14, 30 October 2007 (UTC)