Talk:Josh Klinghoffer

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Not strictly conflict of interest - all facts sourced and verified. --JKDN 03:51, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually, nothing has been sourced and verified. Leuko 04:05, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually, it has, but it's been a long night and the sources haven't been added in yet. --JKDN 10:19, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

This page has not been edited by the subject, but by the team at JoshKlinghoffer.Net. The edits provide facts, not opinions.

JKDN 02:26, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

The autobiography tag has been removed, as it might give people the idea that Josh has been editing the page - we won't want to get people all excited, do we.

Left the sources tag to remind me to add in the sources.

JKDN 02:31, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Conflict of Interest Problem

If "the team at Joshklinghoffer.net" doesn't stop editing this article, it is likely to be deleted and "salted" to prevent its recreation. Conflicts of interest are a major problem in Wikipedia, and the creation and maintenance of an article by parties with severe conflicts of interest can create a problem which in the long run will damage the interests of the subject of the article. The problem is not necessarily actual lies, but rather an unbalanced and partisan view of the subject individual. The Wikipedia ideal is information from impartial, third-party sources of note. What we have here so far is more like an advertisement or fansite for Klinghoffer, full of unsourced allegations and peacock terms. --Orange Mike 12:58, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

• Endorse statement: Everything I was too lazy to write. Leuko 15:22, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

It's a difficult one. Everything written had been researched and verified over years, there are least two independent sources for all the information and sources were due to be added in. Yes, I agree that the tone needed changing. But... how can we do that or add in references, under threat of deletion? The researchers won't publish anything without independent verification. Obviously, from the outside it does look like COI, but the article would have been edited down to a much more neutral tone, rather than expanded. --JKDN 16:58, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

The page can go back to the Red Hot Chili Peppers fans writing about every gig he ever played on the last leg of the tour. Which apparently was perfectly fine. We just thought the page could do with some actual information on it. As I said, it would have been edited DOWN, if we'd been given the chance.--JKDN 17:09, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

What do you mean, "if we'd been given the chance"? This article hasn't been nominated for deletion! The fansite tag is a request for improvement, not a death sentence. Restore the information you deleted, sourcing it as you go. Just do the edits you're talking about, keep a neutral tone, and contribute to other articles in areas where you are expert. (You might consider getting an ID that doesn't include Josh's name or initials in it, though.) --Orange Mike 19:08, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks - I'm keeping the info offline until edits are complete. I don't want a fight, and I appreciate everything you guys are saying. The article was a bit of a brain download, because things are getting published that ARE wrong, and AREN'T sourced, so we wanted to put out all the research that has been done. Josh is in no way connected to what we're doing - none of this is at his request, we just want to make sure people get the correct info. And I'm working on putting this info in a form acceptable to Wikipedia. --JKDN 21:35, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Copyvio

This article is not a copyright violation: the team at joshklinghoffer.net says that they first modified the Wikipedia article, then used it for the About section of their website.[1] The text has thus been released under the GFDL. Mushroom (Talk) 04:38, 8 September 2007 (UTC)