Talk:Joseph Patrick Kennedy II

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Why does this page say "He is an embarrassment to all Americans. He brings dishonor to all true patriots. How can anyone support Hugo Chavez!" and how is it that this is not editable?

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[edit] Scandals

I'm not in favor of the way many political biographies are dominated by listing their scandals, but I believe it has been disingenuous to suggest that Kennedy's gubernatorial plans were ended because he was considering running for the Senate. Kennedy himself stated his reason: "The race will focus on personal or family questions." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.143.31.101 (talk) 20:29, 8 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Pam Kelly

This is an important part of Joe Kennedy's past. Please do not delete this without discussion. 209.175.173.199 15:05, 8 August 2005 (UTC)


I am adding the following reference:

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I am reading Arthur Schlesinger Jr.'s biography of Robert Kennedy, and on page 90, he refers to the subject of this article as "Joseph Patrick Kennedy III". Jesus geek 22:28, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I believe that when someone is named after a family member, that his numeral changes if anyone in the name-line dies. That is, while Joseph P. Kennedy was alive, J P Kennedy III maintains that numeral. But when JP dies, each descendant with a numeral moves up one number. So that JP Kennedy III becomes J P Kennedy II. In this case, "II"--Joe Jr.--was already dead. He had been killed in his aircraft during World War II. Apparently, his death did not accelerate III to II. That may have something to do with his not being in the same line of descent, but being in a lateral line of descent (i.e. JP III was not descended from Joe Jr., but from Joe Jr.'s brother, RF Kennedy). But I believe that is the explanation of the numeral change. Schlesinger wrote this book while Joe Sr. was still living; hence his reference to the subject of this article with the numeral "III." I know, it is strange; how can your name change? I remember how puzzled I was when I first discovered this goyishe conundrum. It can clearly create major problems of confusion if there is one father-son pair who are both well-known. An example is John D. Rockefeller, where Jr., III (founder of the Asia Society) and IV (current Senator from W. Virginia) were (are) all independently well known. I think in this case they decided not to change their numerals when deaths occurred. Changing numerals after they are already well known would create so much confusion in writing about them (as you yourself have discovered). 66.108.105.21 19:28, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
But Martin Luther King, Jr.'s son is Martin Luther King III, and he's not so well known other than as the son of MLK Jr. Jesus geek 20:24, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
I mis-stated what I meant: If any one person in the name-line is independently well-known (by his own name), and someone in the name-line dies, then the famous one must keep his original name to avoid confusion, and it therefore follows that no other person can acquire the exact same name. "Martin Luther King, Jr." is simply too well known to be associated with any one other than the slain civil rights leader. So his son cannot acquire that name. Ergo, he kept his original name. If MLK III has a son MLK IV, then when MLK III dies, MLK IV would become MLK III, assuming that neither one is famous in his own right. But in most families, I do believe that this is the custom. 207.237.240.221 03:24, 9 April 2007 (UTC) Allen Roth
Actually JPK II should never have been known as JPK III. That's because JPK III coul have been the name of 'only' JPK Jr's son. In effect (concerning this family) JPK III is bestowed on a son of JPK II. GoodDay 23:15, 15 June 2007 (UTC)