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Contents 1 The CBC link in the Haiti 2004 section 2 JTF1? 3 Re-editing of article 4 Regimental Theme Music 5 Pop Culture 6 Equipment 7 Unconfirmed Action

[edit] The CBC link in the Haiti 2004 section

I have found no evidence that CBC reported the role of JTF-2 in Haiti on the February 29, 2004 kidnapping of Aristide. If someone has the source from CBC, they should include it as a footnote/reference. There's a good chance that I just simply haven't found it yet.

There is, however, a source in the Canadian Press wire service from March 5, 2004 that I will add.

Ageless 09:52, 1 April 2007 (UTC) ageless

[edit] JTF1?

This doesn't really pertain to the article, but is there another/previous JTF, thereby facilitating the 2 in JTF2?

This is from the official JTF-2 website. In Canadian military terminology "joint task force" refers to any force that is made up of two or more elements (land, air or sea) of the Canadian Forces (CF). Since JTF-2 includes personal from all three elements it is considered a joint task force. When JTF-2 was formed it was given the "2" designation because there is already a JTF-1 in use. There has been attempts recently to change the name for JTF-2, however, there is a lot of opposition to any name change. L.J. Brooks 18:41, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

The above commment is not correct. It was several years after JTF2's inception that personnel came from other CF branches The "2" was spin. The story behind the "2" has been added to the "unit history" section. Note: This was my first permanent edit I seemed to have created two instances of a reference to David Pugliese's book "Canada's Secret Commandos: The Unauthorized Story of Joint Task Force Two" if someone would care to fix this that would be good, although I will try to firgure out how to do the fix myselfEoag (talk) 00:22, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re-editing of article

I'm in the process of re-doing the JTF-2 article. There is no an official JTF-2 webpage up and running and I'm using information extracted from it to update the page. When finished I will attempt to do the same for CANSOFCOM and CSOR. L.J. Brooks 18:41, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Continuing with my re-doing of this article. I've removed a couple of items (e.g.) the snippet about JTF 2 members deployed to Iraq. The only info on JTF in Iraq had to do with the rescue of the two peace activists. There has been no mention in the Canadian press about JTF being deployed into Iraq. I also removed the reference to the Canadian Forces Armed Assistance Directions as there is very little info on this process. I still have to sort out some of the references because some of the links are no longer valid. L.J. Brooks 17:49, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Under the heading Command, control and organisation it states that there are believed to be 250 men and woman (in theory anyway, as Canadian law is very clear about government discrimination, making no exception for combat. A good example would be a female LAV III commander Killed last year in Afghanistan.) in the JTF2 and that this could have increased to 600, and gives a citation that doesn't say that. It states in the citation that's given there are believed to be 350 men a woman in in the JTF2. I'm going to change it to reflect that. Colin 8 16:13, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Colin 8 - Good point. The JTF 2 webpage states that women are eligible for JTF 2. Any help is much appreciated. I'm still doing updates. However, I'm having a problem listing all the references. It appears that I've ran out of room! Just in case of any confusion, I'll reiterate that the information on the JTF 2 selection process is from the JTF 2 webpage. L.J. Brooks 22:24, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Regimental Theme Music

Much talk in the Special Operations community has been that the operators have selected the theme from Robert Duncan's remix of the USMC "Fired Up, Feels Good" cadence used in the TV Show "The Unit" Whether or not that is true, obviously is up for debate, though I am trying to get several CURRENT operators to confirm this for me so that we can ensure that my portion of this article is true.

MCase07

I removed it for now. You'll need to find a reliable source in order to reinstate the material. Sancho 13:56, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you sir, again, I can't really see a song that is unplayable by a marching band no less being an American USMC cadence being used. However, this is the new Canadian Forces, where ANYTHING anymore is possible ;) I will attempt to delve further.

Right on. Also, just remember to sign your comments on talk pages by using four tildes: ~~~~. Sancho 17:45, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pop Culture

As the section had no references, I removed the better part of the speculation on the new PlayStation 3 Game "SOCOM: Confrontation" as there has been no news of JTF2 being included. Though, they have been confirmed by some gaming engineers, the team compositions have not as yet been confirmed and thus have been removed. Mcase07 22:31, 16 August 2007 (UTC)Mcase07

[edit] Equipment

Decided to remove Equipment and it's TO&E as most of the equipment was simply copied from the original Canadian Forces page. Also some of the equipment used is unconfirmed (I have yet to see or hear the use of the G36 and G3 by the CF, I understand that SF may purchase there own weapons but until I see declassified reports from DND concerning the procurement of foreign weapons I remove it) and others are simply absurd (JTF-2 using howitzers?) Come on even as a Soldier myself, I know for damn well sure that JTF2 does not have howitzers. Pte. M. 12 November 2007. (1:25 p.m.)

- Good call. Whereas most military units would use artillery, a specialist unit such as JTF-2 DIRECTLY using artillery is not part of their operations manifest. As they are a direct action specialist team, they would likely call in fire for effect in any situation. In addition to this, in the FN P90 article, it states that it is currently in use with JTF-2. While I can see its ability and use in this unit, I cannot see anywhere or any confirmed source that states that it would be used by this unit. Can anyone confirm its use or at least the possession by the unit of this particular submachine gun. Mcase07 (talk) 05:10, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Sidenote: I wanted to make note of the POSSIBILITY of JTF-2 using howitzers, regardless of the absurdity. Please note, at Firebase Cobra; a pure US Army SF base, they manned and continued bombardments round the clock from the operators themselves. So I do see it as a remote possibility. But unconfirmed. Perhaps it should state "...and the units operators have access to artillery should it be fit for the mission they are issued. Mcase07 (talk) 20:45, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Unconfirmed Action

Can we please include the 2004-2005 Christian Crisis to Unconfirmed Operations please? As I see it, there is zero proof our special operators nor any statements of record by any operators, politicians and/or military personnel that Canada had boots on ground in the purpose of Hostage Rescuse by JTF2. Rightfully, and seeing the cited document still does not give factual evidence or contributed statements DIRECTLY to JTF2. We can all wish and hope, but doesn't bring Santa down the Chimney. Mcase07 (talk) 20:37, 14 April 2008 (UTC)