User talk:John Stumbles

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[edit] Welcome!

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[edit] wp:aiv reports

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[edit] Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster

I have restored the FSM doctrine of Hell, wich you removed removed as "irrelevant comment tending to vandalism." It is not. Quotation from "The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster," p.83:

Q. If there's a Beer Volcano and a Stripper Factory in heaven, 
    what's FSM Hell like?
A. We're not entirely certain, but we imagine it's similar to FSM 
   Heaven, only the beer is stale and the strippers have venereal diseases. 
   Not unlike Las Vegas.

Hypnopomp 18:35, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

I've replied to this on the FSM talk page --John Stumbles 16:24, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Admin Nazi

Welcome to Wikipedia! We welcome your help to create new content, but your recent additions (such as Admin Nazi) are considered nonsense. Please refrain from creating nonsense articles. If you want to test things out, edit the sandbox instead. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Rehnn83 Talk 13:44, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

I see you're a busy Wikipedian so you doubtless didn't find the time to discover that I'm not a newbie to Wikipedia and that my contributions are not generally (I hope) nonsense, and I don't think this one in particular was either "text or random characters that have no assignable meaning at all" or "completely and irredeemably confused".
I don't know what "somone throwing their toys out of the pram ... sounds like" so I can't comment on that.
--John Stumbles 22:59, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
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Ok, sparky, here's the deal: I've recreated Admin Nazi, but have put it up for AfD here at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Admin Nazi. We'll get a consensus that way. David Fuchs (talk / frog blast the vent core!) 00:04, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply John - I agree I was perhaps a bit hasty in nominating for Speedy - I should have gone through the AFD process. I will comment on there and leave the final decision to consensus. -- Rehnn83 Talk 09:07, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Local articles

Hi John, I notice we've been working on similar local articles in the last few months, such as Llandrindod Wells (which looks very good now, despite my earlier misguided efforts to turn part of it into a sales brochure) and Cefnllys (thanks for rewriting that, it reads much better now). I don't put much effort into eloquent wordage here at wiki, prefering to throw things together, structure them, etc, and leave the refinements to other people. For instance, Ihave created and added a few things to Category:Llandrindod Wells. Anyway, I just thought I'd stop by and introduce myself. (Steve) Bards 08:53, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes I've noticed, and we've corresponded over some edits to Llandrindod Wells and maybe others. Anyway thanks for making contact. I've made some more changes (I'm sure you'll notice ... :-) --John Stumbles 23:47, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Waldorf education

We have had an Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Waldorf education arbitration decision that excludes quotes from Steiner from the articles; third-party sources are preferred. I took out the quote from the Waldorf article and rearranged the order (from general to specific) of the reading discussion; hope this meets with your approval. Hgilbert (talk) 03:52, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

I've read the Request for Arbitration page and Wikipedia:Verifiability. I think a distinction has to be made between using a partisan source or unreliable source - whether it's Steiner's teachings, Henderson's Flying Spaghetti Monster website, the Bible, the Little Red Book or Mein Kampf - as reference for what the source itself says as opposed to using it as a source of facts about something it discusses. For example the Bible is a source for Creation according to Genesis although it's not everybody's idea of a Reliable Source :-) However I'll leave the article as you edited it. I know this article has been a bit of a battle-ground between pro- and anti- factions and I haven't the time, energy, knowledge and motivation to attempt to radically improve it (and I don't want to get involved in a flame-fest!). all the best --John Stumbles (talk) 02:06, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

The arbitration did not say that Steiner could not be quoted.DianaW (talk) 01:17, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

I actually think it's rather a good quote:

  • it's down-to-earth, unlike a lot of RS' utterances which are so esoteric they're meaningful only to seasoned anthroposophists (of which I'm not one), and
  • it's relevant to early-literacy.
The latter is an issue in England at present with the UK government setting numeracy & literacy targets for 5 year-olds, and maybe in other countries (USA?) also, so in these countries at least it is an issue on which Steiner-Waldorf education is significantly distinct from mainstream education. I think it might be relevant to the article to discuss this issue. It's not clear to me from the section Waldorf Education#Reading and literacy whether US government dictates are causing conflict with Waldorf practice in the way they will in England (if implemented as currently planned). I'm thinking along the lines of renaming the section to something like 'Waldorf conflicts with Early-literacy programmes' and linking to that section from the end of Waldorf Education#Pre-school and kindergarten: birth to age 6 or 7 like so:

"Waldorf kindergartens and lower grades discourage exposure to media influences such as television, computers and recorded music, as they believe these to be harmful to cognitive development.[23][29] Waldorf education also considers it harmful to attempt to teach literacy and numeracy to children at this stage, which brings it into conflict with state-mandated early-literacy programmes in some countries."

--John Stumbles (talk) 11:17, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

I went back to the original arbitrator's comments, which I've posted at Talk:Waldorf education. Use your judgment as to whether the quotations you want to add serve to underpin value judgments (in which case they should be avoided) or not - as far as I can see that's the essential criterion the arbitrators proposed. Hgilbert (talk) 20:42, 12 April 2008 (UTC)