User talk:Johannes Rohr

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Welcome to Wikipedia, Johannes Rohr! My name is Ryan, aka Acetic Acid. I noticed that you were new and haven't received any messages yet. I just wanted to see how you were doing. Wikipedia can be a little intimidating at first, since it uses different formatting than other sites that use HTML and CSS. In the long run, though, you'll find that the WikiSyntax is a lot easier and faster than those other ways. Here are a few links to get you started:

There are a lot of policies and guides to read, but I highly recommend reading over those first. If you have any questions, feel free to leave me a message on my talk page. Please be sure to sign your name on Talk using four tildes (~~~~) to produce your name and the current date, along with a link to your user page. This way, others know when you left a message and how to find you. It's easier than having to type out your name, right? :)

I hope you enjoy contributing to Wikipedia. We can use all the help we can get! Have a nice day. Sincerely, Ryan. 12:12, August 1, 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Nenetsia

Hi, Johannes! I am a bit at a loss having just read this comment of yours. It is not only that google returns 13,000 hits for "Nenetsia -wikipedia" (although, admittedly, some of Wikipedia mirrors are not completely filtered out by using this syntax), but Encarta's article about this autonomous district is titled "Nenetsia", so this is by no means an "innovative invention" of some fellow Wikipedian. Your comment will be much appreciated.—Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) 20:13, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Khazar maps

Unfortunately I did not keep copies of these maps once they were uploaded to Wikipedia. I should have done so. Why not just take the maps, download them to your computer, and edit them through a graphics editing program? The old text could be filled on in colors matching the background and new text inserted. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 22:55, 2 March 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Re : WP:GDS

Thanks for your clarification on the proposal. I'm not a native speaker, and had troubles trying to translate the German document. - Cheers, Mailer Diablo 16:38, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

For your very insightful and thoughtful contributions to the RfC at the Talk:List of indigneous peoples page. I fully agree with the majority of what you wrote. On the issue of self-identification, I have highlighted a couple of sources on the talk in response to your comments, and could work to locate more. I just remembered too, there's this document: [1] which created quite a buzz in Israel just recently. Palestinians' indigeneity amongst themselves is self-evident. The relative newness of efforts to be formally identified as such among mainstream Palestinian representative organizations before the international community indicates how slow we were to realize that for others, it was not that clear-cut. With the ongoing failure of Oslo and the fading lustre of the two-state solution, it seems the movement towards recognition of their indigenous rights within a federal state framework might be preferred over a two-state solution so as to finally unite the community now separated between Israel, the occupied territories, the refugee camps and the Diaspora and end the historical injustice that has been done. Tiamut 15:34, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Dear Johannes. I am deeply sorry to have disturbed the tranquility at the Talk:List of indigenous peoples page by opening the discussion on Palestinian indigeneity. I have done my utmost to keep to the issues at hand, but seem to be enduring the regular onslaught of POV accusations from my pro-Zionist or pro-Israeli counterparts. Could you check in on the discussion there and let me know if I am being too provocative/pushy in my approach? Being a neutral third party with deep knowledge of indigenous peoples' issues, I would very much appreciate it. Tiamut 18:07, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ...and from me

Hi Johannes, apologies for the delay in reply, unfortunately from just after contacting you for your comments on the topic I have been offline from wikipedia the past week or so. I am very glad that you were able to add your knowledgeable and reasoned insights to the fray, and I appreciate the effort and care you have taken to explain what seems to confuse a lot of folks unfamiliar with the indigenous rights and peoples' forums and movements. Sorry that the experience turned out to be so exasperating, I can not think of any better way to encapsulate the main points than your responses there, and I am in admiration of your patient approach.
Catching up now on the dialogue at the talk page, it seems there's been a respite for the past couple of days now so we can hope that you've been able to convince or at least dissuade the protagonists from carrying out an inappropriate debate there- we shall see, and if things further develop then might have to reassess, though I'm at a loss to know how better to clarify the distinction between the specific concept and the general adjective. I'm surprised at how frequently I've encountered this confusion on wikipedia, which I suppose reflects in any case an unfortunate general lack of public awareness and appreciation of indigenous peoples' concerns.
FWIW I think at least that Tiamut has acted in reasonable good faith in the debate, and has at least understood the concept and attempted to back up claims with references. Although my knowledge of indigenous peoples' issues is much less direct than yours, I think your observations are quite apposite and agree that Palestinian representations to "indigeneity" cited are more so relevant to statehood aspirations than throwing their hands up as indigenous peoples on a par with Sami, San, and Sioux.
Once again, thanks for your help, I at least have a better and more nuanced appreciation for the concept from your explanations. Cheers, --cjllw | TALK 09:04, 12 March 2007 (UTC)