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Contents 1 John Wayne mini-bio 2 Max Size Aircraft 3 Passenger limits 4 Main runway 5 "Steep climb" 6 "Why listed as serves: Orange County" 7 International Airport 8 Aircraft Incidents

[edit] John Wayne mini-bio

It says he lived on Lido Island in the harbor of nearby Newport beach. However, when that link is clicked through, it brings up the page for Lido Isle, which states it is actually referred to as Lido Isle and not Lido Island. Should we change this page on John Wayne aiport to accurately reflect the name of the island? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brianmarx (talk • contribs) 01:19, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Max Size Aircraft

Does someone want to take a stab at cleaning up the intro on the limitations of aircraft operating into SNA. Max pax aircraft is a B757, however FedEx does operate cargo with mixed A300/A310 aircraft. The GWR is MUCH higher on the A3XX's vs the B757 so I did put a comment in about passenger and a note on FedEx ops. I don't like the way it's structured so if someone wants to clean up that section please go ahead. (clean up means explain the above NOT simply revert to an older edit) --Np sca 02:34, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Passenger limits

It would be nice if someone could detail the caps on passengers that this airport abides by, and how that was brought about by years of lawsuits and such with local activists.

Those are becoming increasingly common. I know that Bob Hope Airport also operates under strict controls. See if you can find some sources (the OC Register?) and add whatever verifiable info about it turns up. Be bold! Cheers, -Willmcw 02:17, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

I found this site, http://www.ocair.com/generalaviation/ganoise.htm It's very detailed as to the specific times and noise levels that must be followed. I sometimes fly ORD-SNA on a 757-200, and I'd be interested to see what the fines are for landing at nighttime hours. --Sean.estrada 08:58, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Also, this page discusses annual passenger limits: http://www.ocair.com/aboutJWA/settlement_agreement.htm --Sean.estrada 09:18, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Added info on this now... Feel free to update.. All info came from the County website. --Np sca 08:32, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Main runway

At 5,701 feet, SNA's main runway is the shortest (that I know of) that is regularly used by jet airliners (by which I mean that the runway is used by airplanes larger than regional jets during the normal course of passenger service). This might be worth mentioning in the article, assuming I have this right.

I know that STT used to be under a mile and handled 727 traffic. I also remember seeing a DC-9 take off from the 5,000' runway at the old location of AUS, but I'll bet that was the exception. I regularly see Embaer regional jets using the shorter runways at DCA but these are smaller than what I would consider to be "airliners."

So does SNA's runway represent an extreme in short runway lengths? Or is this really too trivial? -- Gyrofrog (talk) 20:40, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] "Steep climb"

Is the departure at SNA really more steep than at other airports? I understand why full power would be necessary on a short runway (e.g. to achieve V1 & V2 ASAP), but someone once explained to me that the steep climb has nothing to do with the short runway: after all, the plane is already in the air. I'm not sure the planes actually make a steep climb to clear the noise-sensitive area, either, which (if I'm correct) would leave the reduction in power and hard turn would as the disconcerting aspects for passengers. (I myself have only flown into the airport, not out of it.) Don't commercial flights (as opposed to, say, stunt flights) climb at about a 20-degree angle, regardless of the airport? -- Gyrofrog (talk) 06:00, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

I've flown out of many airports before and John Wayne does indeed have a VERY steep climb; so steep you would think the plane would stall - anyone who flys out of there will tell you likewise. Note the 'combined with noise restrictions'. Residental areas are not far from the airport so the plane really has to get the hell out of there. People who have flown out from airports before but not from John Wayne will be at the edge of their seats when they depart from John Wayne. In reality though, they couldn't really be at the edge of their seats even if they tried, since rate of ascent is too high. --Bapinney 08:41, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Many newer aircraft are eliminating their engine power reductions and hence the abrupt angle changes. This is true with the newer 737 NG's operating from SNA lately (AA and WN specifically) as their gross weight (fuel) will be lower than AQ and CO operations which tend to go further distance (eg. EWR and HNL/KOA/OGG). On multiple occasions I've been in WN and AA NG's that have NOT retracted power back. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.4.29.121 (talk • contribs) 17:08, 7 December 2006 (UTC-8)

I've cleaned this up as the latter poster noted some aircraft do NOT any longer require the steep climbout and power reductions. Many 737 NG's unless heavier payload (fuel/cargo/passengers) no longer do the abrupt departure profile. The main goal for the high power roll on takeoff is for the runway length, the steep climb is to gain altitude and accomodate a slower and quieter climb while overflying Newport Beach. Even with the power reduction after takeoff the aircraft is still climbing just not at a very high rate of climb. Once over the coastline power is increased and the rate of climb is as it normally is from other airports. --Np sca 17:54, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

On a Southwest flight to San Jose, the pilot explained to the passengers that there will be a sharp climb and a dramatic drop over the water and this is due to the noise issue with Newport Beach residents. He then made a joke about crashing and took off. Msfwebdude (talk) 18:34, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Why listed as serves: Orange County"

John Wayne is commonly known as Orange County's airport and not just Santa Ana's, is it not? -→Buchanan-Hermit™/?! 01:58, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Edited some time ago to list as "Orange County" - Other wiki articles have done the same in regional areas when referencing an airport. I consider this applicable to this airport as there is NOT a single city that the airport is within (e.g. in County land which is technically county seat Santa Ana) but it is more within Costa Mesa/Irvine/Newport tri border area. To prevent the constant changes just list it as "Orange County" --Np sca 00:02, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] International Airport

When I was there yesterday, I saw an American Airlines flight from Caracas. WestJet 00:44, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

That flight comes from DFW. It also has a change of planes. US airlines don't do "real" multi-stop flights from international to domestic and continuing to another domestic as CBP (Customs and Border Patrol) require all luggage to go through customs and all passengers to go through immigration. John Wayne has NO CBP presence at all. In the 6 gate addition planned there is a proposal to put a CBP facility for two of the gates to allow for immigration and customs. This would mainly target flights from Mexico and can be used to ensure Canadian flights can rescreen if any problems occur (CBP is required at Canada->USA destined cities even though pre-screening happens in Canada - Just in case they need to turn someone around they might have missed. The lack of this is what caused Alaska Air a few years ago to dump the SNA-YVR-SNA route, the YVR-SNA segment had to stop in Seattle for US CBP clearance then reboard... that hassle killed the flight demand.--Np sca 08:32, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Aircraft Incidents

I found some really good citation material from the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) about the second incident listed. Summary Full Narative But I am not sure how to add this or cite it and need help. I want to do this correctly. Msfwebdude (talk) 08:23, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

ok so I am going to add this citation above, please nobody bite my head off if I don't get it right :P Msfwebdude (talk) 21:06, 16 May 2008 (UTC)