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Contents 1 Second picture in article 2 Location of Birth 3 Middle Name? 4 Elizabeth Tyler 5 The missing link? 6 Second and seventh are hard to remember 7 Hijacking 8 Image for info box 9 Picture 10 Harrison's death 11 Tyler's Vice President 12 [Harrison Ruffin Tyler

[edit] Second picture in article

The picture is fine.

[edit] Location of Birth

Where was he born? 68.63.58.122 12:53, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

It shows where he was born in the early life area. --Josiah Bartlet, President of the United States 09:10, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Middle Name?

Does anyone know his middle name? That would be needed to distinguish him from his father...=The Kooky One 21:01, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Come to think of it Kookykman, I'm not sure if Tyler has a middle name. In fact a lot of the early Presidents don't seem to have (at least not listed) middle names: Washington, John Adams, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Jackson, Van Buren, Tyler, Taylor, Fillmore, Pierce, Buchanan, Lincoln, Andrew Johnson, Benjamin Harrison, McKinley, Theodore Roosevelt, Truman (has a middle letter). Presidential birth records may be the way to find out? Mightberight/wrong 26 October 2005

[edit] Elizabeth Tyler

The article about Elizabeth Tyler should be kept seperate. Her wedding was one of the major social events during the Tyler adminisration. However, I would have no objections to a merger of the article;provided that there is mention of the wedding in the White House. Thank you-RFD 14:07, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

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Questions----

Was Texas admitted to the Union during his presidentcy or not? Both is stated. What was the law, which congress overrided his veto?McTeedeium Boo. sorry had to get that out.

[edit] The missing link?

The link for "http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mary_Armistead&action=edit" wich looks like "Mary Armistead" in the Biography section dosent work. Please fix. 68.32.73.22 14:14, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Second and seventh are hard to remember

I have found that other sources(Encarta, Etc.) say that he was the second child not the
seventh could someone verify this? Programmer8 19:43, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hijacking

Who put in all the 'poopy' stuff in his history right before his executive run? Are the Whigs still that upset?

Kid Chameleon —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.81.142.171 (talk) 17:06, 16 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Image for info box

I have placed a copper engraving of Tyler in the info box. Overall value and contrast is better, and it is a fairly sensitive portrait. CApitol3 22:33, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Mystery, I think you'll find this image to be larger, higher resolution, and it has overall much more contrast and a sense of depth the other doesn't. Please discuss before reverting. Thanks. 19:41, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Mystery Man, I've tried to meet you half way here. I've dramatically increasd the resolution and image size. I've also cropped in to allow the image to become a larger part of the space. Perhaps I should share what I find difficult with your choice of image: the range of tones are very much in the middle ground with few highlights, but also almost no true black dark areas. I surely mean no offense here, my objective is to have an image that reads, and, also conveys the man's countenance. The engraving is quite sensitive and almost photographic in its rang of tones. Perhaps we could seek some input. A final note, please do include edit summaries when you edit. It is more than a nicety. It allows other editors to have some understanding of why you've removed or changed something. Thank you. CApitol3 20:36, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Picture

I'd like to know what sense it makes to replace a perfectly good actual photograph with a small dinky engraving. What is it? -The Mystery Man

Hi Mystery Man, here are my concerns: quality of image (bad contrast) question as to whether what you are posting is in fact a photograph of Tyler, or a painting of Tyler. I believe it to be the latter. Date of image: the date of the image you are using is described by hte American Memories collection of LOC to be 1860-1865, very long after the man left office. The daguerreotype image I've posted is c. 1850, just after leaving office. CApitol3 03:37, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Harrison's death

A friend of mine told me that he saw on a documentary about American presidents that John Tyler was playing marbles in the White House when he heard of William Henry Harrison's death - can anyone confirm this? --Josiah Bartlet, President of the United States 09:06, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

It's mentioned in the book The Death of a President, I believe. It was in the book to explain how Presidential Succession was established by Tyler (relateing to the events of LBJ's succession) GoodDay (talk) 17:33, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

PS, Tyler wasn't playing marbles at the White House (as he hadn't moved in yet). The marbles playing was at his home in Williamsburg, Virginia. Secy of State Daniel Webster's son Fletcher Webster delivered the message of Harrison's death. GoodDay (talk) 18:51, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tyler's Vice President

In 1841 the 27th Congress voted to make Samuel Southard ice president of the United States. He was from New Jersey and President pro tem of the Senate until May 22 1842. Serving from May 31, 1842 until the end of Tyler's term was W. P. Magnum of North Carolina

65.7.138.162 (talk) 16:14, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] [Harrison Ruffin Tyler

I removed the sentence "As of 2007, one of his grandsons, Harrison Ruffin Tyler, is still alive. " This is not a genealogical database such as Ancestry.com. There is no basis for including this unreferenced claim in the article unless perhaps the descendant is himself notable as attested by substantial coverage in multiple reliable and independent sources. We do not include in the articles about historical figures lists of every descendant. Edison (talk) 03:46, 18 May 2008 (UTC)