Talk:John Nathan-Turner

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[edit] Lime Grove

Was Doctor Who still in Lime Grove in 1969? I thought they were all being done in TVC or Riverside by then? Angmering

According to ABHOTT and The Second Doctor Handbook, the last serial to be filmed at Lime Grove D (between 21.02.69 and 28.03.69) was The Space Pirates, which JNT (as John Turner) worked on as a floor assistant. --khaosworks 17:00, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Well that's fair enough then! :-) Angmering 13:57, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

ABHOTT makes no such claim. It quite specifically says only episode 1 was filmed at LG. And the DW Locations Guide backs this up by saying LG(D) was only used for one day. So what I've never been particularly clear about is whether JNT worked at Lime Grove as a general floor assistant to whatever happened to be filming that day, or whether he was actually attached to Doctor Who specifically. (His mid-1960s work in the BBC Costumes Department had not been programme-specific, but location specific, which is what makes me ponder.) If it's the former, then he only worked for the one day on Episode 1, because after that "Pirates" shifted to TC4. CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 01:59, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and with the exception of The Dominators, every Troughton adventure from The Wheel in Space to The Space Pirates had at least some footage recorded at Lime Grove.

Sydney Newman, who had taken up Verity Lambert's crusade to get the hell out of Lime Grove — and secured it by threatening to stop production of Doctor Who — was nearing the end of his reign at the BBC by The Wheel in Space, and frankly, even if he had cared to fight about it again (instead of focusing his energies on creating Adam Adamant Lives!, the trick wouldn't have worked twice. The BBC Controller at the time, Michael Peacock, flatly turned down Innes Lloyd's request to move back to Riverside and then he threatened to take Doctor Who off the schedule. That, combined with the fact that Lloyd was himself leaving for other projects, seemed to stop the bitchin' about Lime Grove for a few months. (At least, according to what I read in ABHOTT's write-up of Evil of the Daleks.)

Then, somehow, Peter Bryant — who had been like the third guy on the list of people to replace Lloyd — suddenly got the gift of freedom from Lime Grove dropped in his lap. At least, that's what it seems like, cause nobody ever really talks about Peter Bryant. The dude is a cipher. Is it that the BBC listened to him because he had been a member of The Grove Family? Is it that his BBC Controller, Paul Fox, had been heavily involved with the British JFK assassination coverage and therefore felt a mystical affinity for the program, which led him to finally approve the move to TC? Is it that Bryant had a talent to get things done quietly, like a good agent (which he would later become)? Was it that he didn't fuss too much when he was asked to move around from one program to another, or to not get screen credit he was technically due? I dunno. But whatever happened, somehow, some way, the "Battle of Lime Grove", which had been exceptionally heated at several points in the 1960s just sort of ended. I'd love to find out why some day. CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 02:38, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] JNT Picture

I'm the one who uploaded the free picture of JNT. It's a picture I took of him in Whovent 86 in.. I can't remember this second what city it was. Either Philadelphia or somewhere in New Jersey. Anyway, the original photograph that I scanned for this was pretty darned mangled 21 years later. I turned up the dust and scratch repair functions of my scanning program as high as they can go. It still made for a jpg that had some scratch damage. It doesn't look bad in the thumbnail on the JNT page itself, but if you look at the larger version, you can see it pretty clearly on the right side of the picture. If someone wants to take a stab at cleaning it up, let me know via my talk page. Thanks. Dopefish 17:54, 3 August 2007 (UTC)