Talk:John C. Lilly

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[edit] i love huckabees

forgot to mention this one -- i love huckabees, there's a funny reference to sensory deprivation where the protagonist is locked up in a bag and experiences visions relevant to his neuroses. in later scenes, he attempts to recreate this state by covering his eyes and floating in his bathtub. great film, though it didn't gain much press (at least where i live).

[edit] Restructuring the article

I've chopped and changed the layout of the article a little. Have removed the section "Later vision" and pasted the text into a "later career" section in his career section. I've artibrarily subdivided the article into sections about development of the sensory deprivation tank, as well as exploration of human consciousness. More sections to follow. I'm thinking of adding a particular section discussing his likely schizotypy and research with schizophrenia, and how his work is an example of the blurry line between religious experience and outright schizophrenia. At the moment, i've really just re-arranged the article, but will be gradually be adding more text to each section. Let me know your thoughts

[edit] Feynman

The relationship with Feynman should be mentioned and I have posted the reverse on Talk:Richard_Feynman. It's an interesting topic as well. Thomas Veil 05:41, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Interesting he should say his LSD work was part of MKUltra, as one researcher, Fritz Springmeier, claims he was a mind control programmer. john 22:32, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Like reading an obituary

Is the feeling I got reading the article as it now stands. __meco 17:16, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

I'd agree. Would be good to go into depth about his work on sensory deprivation and communication with dolphins.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Faustus83 (talk • contribs)

[edit] Movies

I never read the book that it was based on, but I always thought that the Don Bluth movie The Secret of NIMH was inspired by Lilly's work. Researchers at the National Institute for Mental Health giving psychoactives to animals to make them hyperintelligent and anthropomorphic and all. It would be nice if the article mentioned Lilly's work at NIMH.

Excellent point. I'll see what I can do. —Viriditas | Talk 15:13, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Minority Report

What do you guys think about the film Minority Report? The precogs are floating in a pool, it seems loosely linked to the idea of sensory deprivation and unusual states of consciousness.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.240.87.206 (talk • contribs) 13:55, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm surprised you picked up on that. You are obviously very perceptive. Although the majority of people reading this will not understand nor wish to comprehend, there is a direct, underlying relationship between the Weltanschauung of PKD and JCL. —Viriditas | Talk 15:10, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] SSI

The information concerning Lilly's concept of SSI or "solid state intelligence", linked from the Philip K Dick infopages is missing from this page. Anyone who knows more about that, please elaborate.

[edit] MKULTRA

Does anyone else have information on Lilly's supposed MKULTRA involvement. This claim seems specious and is still not sourced. I will add a section on SSI and ECCO shortly. --Thomaskmfdm 15:11, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

I have removed the MKULTRA reference. Lilly's legal LSD supply came from the National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH). This supply was considered part of the MKULTRA program and is recorded in documents uncovered via the Freedom of Information Act[[1]]. When asked by the director of the NIMH to brief the CI), FBI, NSA, and the various military intelligence services on his work using electrodes to stimulate directly the pleasure and pain centers in the brain, Lilly refused. He was not involved in MKULTRA aside from obtaining LSD for his experiments. --Thomaskmfdm 05:41, 12 November 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Deletion

This article should be deleted. Anyone who believes that humans and dolphins could talk to each other is insane. --NikolaiLobachevsky 16:22, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

See also: consensus reality. —Viriditas | Talk 15:01, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] SETI

Lilly was involved with SETI (at that time called CETI) in the seventies. A description of this involvement should be included in the article. --Mlohsar 19:52, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] taking this article to the panel beater

i pretty much have every john lilly book and am particularly well read on sensory deprivation. over the next few weeks i'd like to take this article to the panel beater, as they say in the classics. for example, i'd like to have subsections in his career work, that focusses upon sensory deprivation, dolphin communication, ketamine, etc. if someone would like to offer suggestions or work on it with me, do let me know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Faustus83 (talk • contribs) 14:21, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm game. Are you aware of the new website that has just gone online? See [2] for more information. —Viriditas | Talk 15:04, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] comp sci contribs?

I have heard a few times, including from the horses mouth, that Lilly made @ least 1 important contrib to comp sci. Can anyone @ least set me looking in the right direction on this (I ask as the remark is always completely unsubstantiated. No mention is ever even made of what the supposed contrib is [If someone is trying to have programming and metaprogramming in the human bio computer as a comp sci contrib, I'll be peeved]). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thaddeus Slamp (talk • contribs) 20:13, 8 January 2008 (UTC) Thaddeus Slamp (talk) 20:29, 8 January 2008 (UTC)