Talk:John Berryman
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[edit] Sci fi connection?
Query--Is this the Same John Berryman who wrote science fiction stories which appeared in the SF magazines in the early 1960's I'm thinking of titles like "The Trouble with Telstar" in Analog (1964) and a sequel, "Stuck," which appeared a bit later....Just wondering, as that was while John W. Campbell was still editing the magazine...
Thanks, George M. Ewing, wa8wte@juno.com.
- According to http://www.hycyber.com/SF/analog_ba.html, the John Berryman who wrote for Analog was born in 1919 and died in 1988. RickK 22:20, Nov 28, 2004 (UTC)
I don't think so. Googled him, and nothing about scifi came up elsewhere.
[edit] Misc.
If that Spender quote (re Jarrell, Roethke, Berryman, just before Suicide section) is accurate, it doesn't say much for his ability to wield language. -- Twang
- Who? Berryman? it's irrelevant to his ability to wield language. Or did you mean Spender? that would be irrelevant to this page.
Did John Berryman's father commit suicide when John was 8, 10, 11, or 12? I've found each of these numbers in various sources!
[edit] Article Problems: Clean-Up; Original Research
I just added a couple of warnings to the top of the article. It's unbalanced. There's a long anecdote under the heading "Writer's Workshop", unsourced. Amusing enough, but it's like just one incident from his life dealt with at length, for no apparent reason. The commentary on the "Poetry", especially on the Dream Songs strikes me as reasonable, but since there are no sources I assume it's a piece of original work, and therefore disallowed. Generally this needs attention from someone familiar not only with Berryman's work, but also with the main secondary sources - I know there's a big biography, but it's years since I read it.
Also, given the state of the rest of the article, I question the notability of a verse from a 2007 Hold Steady song - and I do like the band.KD Tries Again 19:43, 6 July 2007 (UTC)KD
Uh-huh: the poetry analysis, like the biography, is in danger of tendentiousness: both read too much back from Berryman's suicide. Furthetrmore, Dream Songs are way easier to understand than Cantos: there isnot enough recognition of Berryman's humour or his technical skill. And what about 'Love & Fame'? I've read the source for the classroom stories: I think it's in 'Recovering Berryman' a 1993 book of essays and other stuff of very variable quality, but it probably gets too much prominence. There are two big biographies, even, though the mopre recent seems to me to be little advance on the older, and I'm unsure what it's for. I'll see if I can find time to tidy it all up a bit. Any recommendations welcome. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.125.31.20 (talk) 15:51, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Dublin
Berryman spent some time in Dublin in the sixties and his "Dream Songs" were completed in Ireland. Millbanks (talk) 07:05, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Iowa
In his book "The Pear is Ripe", the Irish poet John Montague recalls how Berryman had to leave the State University of Iowa after ending up in jail following a fight with a student. Millbanks (talk) 07:10, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
